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Bush to propose immigration law changes to allow Mexican workers in U.S.
SanDiego.com ^
| 5:11 a.m. January 6, 2004
| Deb Riechmann
Posted on 01/06/2004 7:17:29 AM PST by putupon
Edited on 01/06/2004 9:30:13 AM PST by Lead Moderator.
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:17:30 AM PST
by
putupon
To: putupon; Luis Gonzalez; Pubbie
Viva Bush
Viva Rove
Viva Victory in 2004
To: putupon
undocumented=illegal
When will all the polititians learn. For all the good I have emailed my Senators, Reps and President Bush. Anyone have any ideas on what else to try.
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:20:58 AM PST
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:21:52 AM PST
by
Support Free Republic
(I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
To: putupon
Mexican officials have complained that the Bush administration has used post-Sept. 11 security concerns as an excuse to better protect, rather than allow freer movement over the U.S.-Mexican border. So where's the problem?
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:26:57 AM PST
by
Pest
(I will choose Free Will!)
To: ClintonBeGone
Did they fix the "worst agency in the federal government" (aka the INS) when they folded it into Homeland Security?
If they didn't, there's no one to administer this program.
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:27:55 AM PST
by
angkor
To: ClintonBeGone
Now, now, now-let's be nice. Watch that sarcasm, after all it's just criminals and possible terrorists pouring over the border down there we're discussing.
I just got hit for a tagline by the AM here
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:30:18 AM PST
by
putupon
(This Tagline censored by AM)
To: putupon
Bush ready to unveil his immigration package
Guest worker plan has been hinted at
By Michelle Mittelstadt
THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS
January 6, 2004
WASHINGTON Placed in the deep freeze after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the debate over immigration policy revives in earnest this week when President Bush offers a sweeping mix of legislative and administrative proposals designed to improve the lives of immigrants.
Although the White House has been tight-lipped about specifics of the blueprint expected to be unveiled as early as tomorrow, Bush and his aides in recent weeks have suggested support for a guest worker program, making it easier for foreigners to work here legally and offering a pathway to legal residence for up to 12 million people here illegally.
Bush also is considering permitting Mexicans who worked in the United States, then returned home, to collect Social Security benefits, a Mexican government official said yesterday, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Although the United States has similar agreements with 20 other countries, the proposed deal with Mexico has proven to be controversial largely because of its potential effect on the fiscally unsound Social Security system. Congressional investigators estimate payments to eligible Mexicans could top $650 million yearly by 2050.
White House officials declined yesterday to preview the immigration plan being unveiled days before Bush meets Monday with Mexican President Vicente Fox at the Summit of the Americas, a meeting of the hemisphere's leaders in Monterrey, Mexico.
"I think the president will have more to say soon on his approach to matching willing workers with willing employers," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. "There is certainly an economic need that exists."
In Mexico City, a government official close to the immigration talks said the White House has "not fully disclosed their plans with us yet."
"Nonetheless, we're extremely happy that President Bush is now engaged," the official said, speaking on condition he not be named.
Advocates in the loose alliance of business, immigrant-rights, labor and religious groups pressing for relaxed immigration rules welcomed White House involvement.
But some offered cautious support, questioning whether Bush will invest political capital in getting immigration policy changes always a tough sell through Congress.
"I think it's good they are getting back into the debate," said Cecilia Munoz, vice president of the National Council of La Raza. "But this is an election year and there are questions about whether this is a serious policy effort or just campaign posturing."
Rep. Jeff Flake, co-author of a bill that would provide visas for temporary workers and provide a path to legal residence for illegal immigrants, said Bush's entry into the fray will boost his legislation's prospects.
"As to whether or not we can get it this year, it remains to be seen," the Arizona Republican said, acknowledging that some prominent congressional critics could derail the bill.
"Moving it through the House will require presidential leadership," Flake said.
The head of the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors reduced immigration rates, said it's doubtful Congress will get anything done on immigration this year.
"Part of it is because this is so radical that I don't see Republicans being able to vote for this, at least not too many of them," said Mark Krikorian.
Immigration, which GOP strategists view as a key strategy to woo Hispanic voters, could backfire on the administration, Krikorian said. "Amnesty for illegal aliens is the kind of thing that can really get the conservative base energized against the White House," he said.
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:32:31 AM PST
by
boris
(The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
To: ClintonBeGone
I'm proposing that instead of the normal flames we do something constructive. Why not use this forum as a way to come up with our own "guest entry" plan and distribute it to our glorious elected reps. It seems they have run out of fresh ideas. I'm not talking amnesty here...I'm talking about a temp entry solution to document and control the legally admitted workers. Any takers?
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:33:57 AM PST
by
politicalwit
(Do you want salsa served up with your immigration?)
To: ClintonBeGone
It does make some sense, we can knock out China with the help of our Mexican labour.
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:34:43 AM PST
by
Cronos
(W2004!)
To: boris
"I think the president will have more to say soon ......." White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.In English?
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:38:07 AM PST
by
putupon
("Borders? We don' need no steenkin' borders!"-author's name censored)
To: putupon
Rent a giant warehouse.
Fill one corner with empty cardboard boxes.
Place posters in Spanish all over town: "Needed - Workers to pack boxes."
After several hundred illegals arrive at warehouse, call INS to arrest illegals.
Repeat all over America.
Soon, illegals will be afraid to go to work and will return home.
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:54:35 AM PST
by
sergeantdave
(Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
To: usnret99
When will all the polititians learn. For all the good I have emailed my Senators, Reps and President Bush. Anyone have any ideas on what else to try. Before everyone starts screaming "amnesty!", let's get a look at the proposal. What I read a few days ago was in the form of a guest worker program. I know that is just as bad to many of you, but let's look at this:
1.)It would reduce or eliminate a lot of the illegal immigration. Workers that had jobs lined up could come in legally for a specific period of time, then go home when the jobs were done, instead of staying here on welfare.
2.) It would allow us to monitor and screen the people who do come into the country better than we do now.
3.) A lot of the illegals who now work under the table would pay US taxes.
4.) It would help prevent voter fraud, since we would be better able to determine who was here on a work visa. As a matter of fact, some of the Democrats don't like the proposal, saying that Bush wants these people to be workers, not voters" (well, duh!). It would also help us to send these people home when their jobs ended.
The proposal I have seen is not perfect by any means. I would like to see the law changed so that a if a worker has a baby while here on a visa, that child does not automatically become a US citizen. But I don't see this as a surrender to political correctness. There have been Mexicans coming across the border to work for longer than any of us have been alive. If they can come in legally, work the season in the fields, pay taxes, then go home when the season is over, knowing they can come back the next year to work, they are much less likely to move their whole families here to be a burden on our welfare system.
To: putupon
"It's important for America to be a welcoming society. We are a nation of immigrants, and we're better for it."
Keep drinking the kool aid.
We can be welcoming of LEGAL aliens, we should kick illegals to the curb.
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posted on
01/06/2004 7:55:49 AM PST
by
Bikers4Bush
(Bush and Co. are quickly convincing me that the Constitution Party is our only hope.)
To: putupon
The bottom line is for President Bush to win in November. This is a play for the hispanic vote and for moderates. This is nothing like what you would see from the radical democrat side. This is a policy that will be good for the country, good for Bush's reelection and I love the free market nature of the program. Lets not forget to keep our eye on the prize.
To: politicalwit
Why not use this forum as a way to come up with our own "guest entry" plan and distribute it to our glorious elected reps.
Suit yourself, but I happen to think they need to sign on to President Bush's plan.
To: Cronos
It does make some sense, we can knock out China with the help of our Mexican labour.
It's all about the free market. However, I think your view that we're still competing against other countries is a bit outdated. This is economic competition at it's finest.
To: sergeantdave
Soon, illegals will be afraid to go to work and will return home.
Or invade your neighbors home.
To: politicalwit
sure, I'll bite. Here is my position on immigration:
-> Determine a maximum legal immigration number and enforce it.
-> Deport all original illegals in this country to their country of origin (where "original illegal" is an illegal who came to this country at the age of 18 or above)
-> Grant path-to-citizenship status and fast-track citizenship to those children that came here because of their parents, but whose parents are now gone/dead/etc., or who have passed 17 years of age and wish to be considered independent. The child that was brought here by parents who are no longer around, for all intensive purposes was raised in the United States and will be granted fast-track citizenship.
-> Prosecute companies that hire illegals knowingly, and at sub-standard wages and safety conditions
-> Remove H1Bs and rework new legislation for 'guest worker programs' that are much more stringent than today.
-> Increase funding and focus on border security, including technology adoption of Predator-type drones, additional manpower to control the border region, and immediate return of all people caught crossing the border.
-> Increase penalties for harboring, transporting and arranging illegal immigration and border crossing, including jail time and fines.
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posted on
01/06/2004 8:04:40 AM PST
by
pdjplano
To: CA Conservative
Any guest worker plan needs accountability from the employer side also. Remember, it's not just the "illegal" that breaking the law but the employer also. I think that any "guest worker" plan (referred to GW-1) needs to address the cost associated with the GW-1 plan...and I do mean all cost. These cost should include background check fees, processing fees, monitoring fees, medical costs, cost associated with "legal" issues, and prison cost if necessary. There is a workable way to control this issue. Lets have some input.
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posted on
01/06/2004 8:06:15 AM PST
by
politicalwit
(Do you want salsa served up with your immigration?)
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