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To: Quix
I speak from 25+ years of intense group work and marriage and family counseling as a PhD in clinical psychology.

That does clarify quite a bit.

And I'm not sure where your adverse emotion is coming from.

I wouldn't presume to speak for LTM, but for myself, call it institutional bias. I, as well as my wife, have become convinced whatever model is used to map interpersonal dynamics between spouses is fatally flawed.

You wouldn't happen to have statistics for success and longevity of success for your modality, would you?

448 posted on 01/06/2004 11:18:55 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: Woahhs
My modality . . .

I used whatever would work from whatever "system" . . . tending more toward family systems stuff than a lot of other but using everything I could use to help a couple or family.

Statistics--not really. I had very few cases which didn't seem to go any where; which didn't seem to improve at all. And usually, there was a long line of other theapists who'd already failed with those cases, too. Counseling works worst with those who need it most.

Some people are terrified enough of change, regardless of how painful their present--that getting them to change is VERY difficult.

Actually, that's one reason I'm not that into counseling at present. MOST people seem to want to feel good temporarily without wanting to do the work to change the underlying reasons.

I virtually always got significant change and faster than my professors, colleagues or other counselors the clients had seen. But I was usually greedy--wanting MORE change, faster. My pathology, probably.


Could probably count on one hand.
450 posted on 01/06/2004 11:24:22 PM PST by Quix (Particularly quite true conspiracies are rarely proven until it's too late to do anything about them)
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To: Woahhs
Of course any model will be flawed because people are so complex and relationships are so complex and people are so idiosyncratically unique.

That's another reason I pray and go with my intuition rather than a formula from a list of models.
456 posted on 01/06/2004 11:32:50 PM PST by Quix (Particularly quite true conspiracies are rarely proven until it's too late to do anything about them)
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