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Army Addresses Pay Problems (GNFI)
AUSA News ^ | Jan 04

Posted on 01/05/2004 5:46:16 PM PST by xzins

Army Addresses Pay Problems January 2004

The Army is working on immediate actions to eliminate the pay problems of deployed soldiers, and long-term solutions are also under way. "The basic pay and allowances for most soldiers is there. It's the situation-unique entitlements based on location, dependent status, special skills – these are the one's that, because they require additional documentation and inputs, fall through the cracks," Eric Reid, chief of Finance and Accounting Oversight and Field Operations Division, U.S. Army Finance Command, said.

Reid said most difficulties lie in special entitlements built into the pay process.

"For example, the day a soldier steps in country, he starts receiving hostile fire pay. He also is eligible for hardship duty pay location (HDP-L), but although his time starts on the first day, he has to be there for 30 days to be eligible.

After 30 days, it's paid retroactively to the first day. He is also eligible for a combat zone tax exemption, and possibly for a family separation allowance.

For some entitlements, the finance technician must input it in the system on a monthly basis," Reid said.

"The hardship duty pay is an example, they have to do an input every month for that entitlement," he said.

This issue becomes even more complex for soldiers who are in specialized units like special forces, who receive special entitlements including jump pay and extra pay for doing high-altitude, low-opening jumps. "But there aren't that many soldiers who do those things," Reid said.

In addition to the hardship duty pay for soldiers in theater, he said there is one other major entitlement that must be entered separately each month for most soldiers, the continental United States cost of living allowance. "Yes, the GAO (General Accounting Office) used a case study technique which focused on only special forces and military police units, but I can tell you there are similar problems across the board that we're working to address," Reid said.

He said most problems occur for reserve component soldiers when they are either initially mobilizing or when they return from mobilization.

"There are some issues where there are delays in getting them in the system when they mobilize and off the system when they're demobilized," Reid said.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; army; iraq; pay; specialty

1 posted on 01/05/2004 5:46:17 PM PST by xzins
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To: MJY1288; Calpernia; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BOBTHENAILER; ...
GNF the troops ping

The first rule of Army pay: once they get your pay right DON'T get fancy and try to change anything. :>)
2 posted on 01/05/2004 5:48:28 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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3 posted on 01/05/2004 5:48:37 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Hi Mom! Hi Dad!)
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To: xzins
Bump. Don't mess with the troops pay, mail or meals
4 posted on 01/05/2004 5:50:06 PM PST by SAMWolf (Gotta run, the cat's caught in the printer.)
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To: xzins
I just forwarded this to Mike in Iraq...he's still having pay problems with several of his men....it's only been a year, now!
5 posted on 01/05/2004 5:55:08 PM PST by mystery-ak (Mike...we are entering the home stretch)
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To: xzins
Out of the $87,000,000,000 added to the initial $100,000,000,000 for Iraq, 1 billion should have gone directly to the troops... or if not, allow them a little pillaging.
6 posted on 01/05/2004 5:56:03 PM PST by StatesEnemy
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To: mystery-ak; SAMWolf; StatesEnemy
In addition to the hardship duty pay for soldiers in theater, he said there is one other major entitlement that must be entered separately each month for most soldiers, the continental United States cost of living allowance. "Yes, the GAO (General Accounting Office) used a case study technique which focused on only special forces and military police units, but I can tell you there are similar problems across the board that we're working to address," Reid said.

This one amazed me....they're hand-jamming every single hardship pay and cost of living allowance EVERY MONTH!

In the computer age there's something idiotic in that.

Why can't they just tell the soldier that when they leave the hardship area or change their COL location that they ARE ORDERED to report changed status under penalty of UCMJ for defrauding the Gov't?

Then they only have to input once.

7 posted on 01/05/2004 6:00:15 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: StatesEnemy
Motto for our young troops with large families

It Takes a Pillage to Raise a Child.

:>)

8 posted on 01/05/2004 6:03:40 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
Tell me about it...and if it's not submitted on time, it's not on your check...has happened to Mike several times...about a week after payday I'll get an LES for HDP or Combat Pay......get this...several guys who enlistment's were up but on a stop loss..stopped getting paid..computers showed they were out of service.
9 posted on 01/05/2004 6:13:08 PM PST by mystery-ak (Mike...we are entering the home stretch)
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To: mystery-ak
Maybe they should go back to the paymaster who counts out $2 bills.

:>)
10 posted on 01/05/2004 6:18:12 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
FUBAR
11 posted on 01/05/2004 6:20:28 PM PST by mystery-ak (Mike...we are entering the home stretch)
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To: mystery-ak
Well....someone's gotta do it. :>)
12 posted on 01/05/2004 6:22:26 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
Bump!
13 posted on 01/05/2004 9:53:27 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: xzins
Bump!
14 posted on 01/05/2004 10:08:12 PM PST by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: xzins
.they're hand-jamming every single hardship pay and cost of living allowance EVERY MONTH!

Oh, it gets better. You should see what it's like in a Guard unit, where some special pays have to be put in by the unit in theater, and some special pays have to be put in by the finance clerks at the state HQ in the home state.

In our unit we had base pay which varies by rank, housing allowance which varies by location of home and rank, rations allowance, jump pay, dive pay (selected personnel), family sep (those with dependents), imminent danger [combat] pay, SF proficiency pay (everyone except about five support guys), language proficiency pay (varies with language and skill in said language... one soldier can draw it for several languages), and the way they did the tax reimbursement is to collect the tax one month and reimburse it the next. I have over 200 leave and earning statements from that year (normal is two a month), most of them correcting errors and correcting the corrections. I have absolutely no clue what I got paid and whether it was what I had coming, except that I know that $330/month in language pay vanished in the system somewhere. I have orders awarding it, just no money ;)

Half of the problem is that the military finance system is a mess, with too many clerks making too arcane rules, and the other half of the problem is that Congress micromanages most of it in law and it would take legislative change to make any sense of it. Congress would rather hold hearings where they can scream at some innocent Colonel from the Pentagon and pretend that Something Will Be Done.

I'm still trying to figure out why we pay combat pay to people who never hear a gunshot unless somebody screws up clearing his weapon... but the Army is a big believer in equality, as long as it's not the enlisted swine asking for it.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

15 posted on 01/05/2004 11:26:32 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (..is it news, or CNN News?)
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To: xzins
Army Addresses Pay Problems ~ Bump!
16 posted on 01/06/2004 9:17:40 AM PST by blackie
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