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Posted on 01/05/2004 5:36:35 PM PST by Pubbie
Edited on 01/05/2004 6:05:54 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]
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President Bush will propose immigration law changes to allow workers from Mexico to enter the United States if they have jobs waiting for them, officials said Monday in previewing an election-year measure intended to bolster support among Hispanic voters.
Advocacy groups were invited to the White House on Wednesday to hear details of the program.
"The president has long talked about the importance of having an immigration policy that matches willing workers with willing employers," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said. "It's important for America to be a welcoming society. We are a nation of immigrants, and we're better for it."
Immigration advocacy groups characterized Bush's move as a politically drawn effort to curry favor with Hispanics, a potent political force, particularly in key states like Florida, California and border states. Two sources speaking on condition of anonymity said Bush would outline a set of principles rather than a detailed piece of legislation, and that the policy statement would draw on bills already pending in Congress.
"It looks very much like a political effort and what they do with these `principles' is going to determine whether this is really a policy initiative or not," said Cecilia Munoz, vice president for policy at the National Council of La Raza. "The Latino community knows the difference between political posturing and a real policy debate."
She said the initiative was crafted by Bush's political strategist, Karl Rove, and that the immigration policy community was excluded from the deliberations.
"We know of no one in the immigration policy community, business groups or Latino groups who has been consulted," she said.
This is their usual trump card, they drag out education and immigration whenever it's election time and we fall for it every time, and the only response a republican administration can make to this extremely complex issue is a vague one. The fact is that there is no simple answers and we continually fall for the bait
No I'm not an immigrant, I'm a fourth generation American. I'd love to visit the old countries but this is my home and I expect all visitors to come into it legally.
No one has a right to break in just because my grandparents immigrated legally back in the 19th century. What kind of excuse is that to make?
You don't know them --- you don't even know that some great great great grandmother didn't have something going on with the mailman so that great great great grandfather isn't really the one you think he is. I don't care. If some ancestor got on a boat from some other country --- what difference does that make to me now? Even if they were forced onto the boat so they could be slaves here --- does that really change anything in my life right now? (Except I might not have to worry about a sunburn or something).
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To listen to these Open Border Types one gets the feeling that every person in this World has some natural-born right to live in America and "We the People" have no say in the matter.
Just wait a few years when the Amnestied crowd starts to exert their numbers at the polls and they replace all the White Politicos with their own. That will be quite a spectacle. Wonder what the Open Border Neo-Cons will say then?
If the Republican Party ever manages to survive this it will be because they moved EVEN further to the left, as in much further.
I don't know how many is too many. I do know that St. Louis was first a French city. Before the German invasion. My (German) grandmother was born here in 1890. She went to a German school and spoke German, although my father never did. All of the church records, that I do research in, at the turn of the century for this area are in German. They were a subculture. Which assimilated. This is what we are and what we've always been.
And normalizing their status will allow for assimilation. This seems like a good opportunity for all people to step forward and clearly state whether they are actually for the assimilation of productive people into the broader culture, or whether they approve of the status quo of balkanized communities filled with hopelessness and insecurity.
That discovery just seems like gossip --- you can't even hear their side of it since you never met them and you can't tell what's true and what's rumor. I adored my parents and the two grandparents I actually got to meet, I barely knew one great-grandmother --- I think that one might have been an immigrant but I'm not sure. Once you get into the great grandparent level --- even the amount of DNA you got isn't significant from any single one of them.
As you know, every issue thats been important to this president, he has taken his message on the road and asked the American people to support his agenda. Very much like he did with his Tax Cuts, Energy, War on Terror, Education, Forest Fire Protection, and drilling for oil in ANWAR. Can you post a single road trip where Bush "pushed" for 245(i) ?, and please post the quotes, I've seen the official White House statement praising Congress for addressing the issue of 245(i). I understand you live for these debates, and enjoy making condescending remarks to those who don't share your negativity, but believe it or not, you don't know what this administration will propose, and you can site your hypothetical predictions all you want, I will wait for the facts
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Sorry you got to this ridiculous point. Really. I thought that last night you did a much better job at debating.
Kindly point out where the law says that children of undocumented immigrants are 'criminals.'
Don't get me wrong, we need to stop it, but I also see a number of cases where people ought to be cut some slack because of laws that were screwed up in the first place or misapplied.
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