Bush To Propose Immigration Law Changes

AP | 01-05-04 | AP

[SandRat]

You're absolutely right. I won't vote for him again either. If he passes this cloaked amnesty he'll be giving the finger to American workers.

So you like what the Democrats will be giving the American worker better? Let one of them get in and the American worker will think he's dropped his bar of soap in the prison shower.

[txdoda]

If Americans don't want the job --- then open it to foreigners on a guest worker basis--- not just Mexicans --- but Swedes, Canadians, Haitians, Mexicans, Irish, Germans, etc.>>>>>>>

Yes, I too was wondering WHY Bush is proposing this law change *only * for mexico (below, I posted to Pubbie, with no reply yet....What do you think??)


President Bush will propose immigration law changes to allow workers from Mexico to enter the United States if they have jobs waiting for them, >>>>>>

so does the rest of the world 'line-up' behind mexico to be able to come the USA & work legally ???

has the USA *ever* changed US immigration laws, to financially benefit only one country ??

is this *any* incentive for the mexican gov't to 'reform', or improve mexico, where all mexicans can live & prosper ??

[Reaganwuzthebest]

In the long term, the only way this problem of illegals coming here for work will go away forever is when the Mexican economy grows enough that the attraction to come here and work is no longer worth it

Mexico has the potential to be a first world country, but first they have to throw off their corrupt oligarchy. Won't happen as long as we let them come into the US by the millions.

Closing the border and sending illegals home may actually encourage them to fix their problems.

[Donna Lee Nardo]

Yeah, it would yield almost a reverse NAFTA effect, with all the businesses seeking Mexican workers willing to work cheaper here within the U.S. But that concerns ONLY those businesses willing to follow any new rules. Such a move would probably also bring in tons more illegals working illegally without paying ANY taxes at all. I keep hearing officials saying how much the illegals contribute to Social Security, etc. I say BS! Probably more work paying NO taxes in restaurants, landscaping, etc., off the books than on the books.

[mickie]

Only 214 votes so far......99% said "deported".

[upchuck]

It's called playing politics with a touchy issue, meanwhile we have seen more deportations than ever, the borders are a bit tighter and eventually we will see stiff penalties placed upon employers who hire illegals.

Help me out here... do you have a link to an article about this?

[MJY1288]

"Closing the border and sending illegals home may actually encourage them to fix their problems."

When you figure a logical way to close the border as well as locating the illegals currently living in the unknown amount of unregistered rented rooms in this country. I'll accept your solution. But until then, I'll stick to my conclusion that we have to go after those who knowingly employ illegals

[FITZ]

The only thing I see could be the possibility of a different kind of status a foreign guest worker --- and that would be the accepted term --- no "undocumented US residents" that has become too common.

I guess we'll see soon --- if this is just some proposals to certain changes in the law --- and not a blanket amnesty like what happened in the 1980s with unbelievable fraud --- it might not be a disaster --- I think some changes should be made in the law.

For example --- end "family reunification" that allows family members to sponsor a relative and then fail to provide all their financial support. Around here you see many elderly "legals" coming over who get SSDI, food stamps, Medicaid, HUD --- but a working type with no family might actually be able to hold a job and be self reliant but has no way to get over legally. I wouldn't mind making a trade --- decrease legal immigration of those who can't work or can work only marginally and increase it for those who can.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Illegals are suing in American courts to break American laws.....you'll recall the stories posted on FR about illegals demanding not only entrance to college but in-state tuition as well.

The sad thing about that lawsuit is some bleeding heart liberal judge will probably entertain the lunacy.

What I want to know is: where is ICE and why aren't they deporting them?

[AzJohn]

I too was wondering WHY Bush is proposing this law change *only * for mexico

I missed your #74 when I first read through the thread. I posted a question about that also and am really wondering if AP got this wrong somehow. It is surprising that such a major change in law could be contemplated when it would only apply to Mexico.

[MJY1288]

I don't have a link to an article about the number of deportations, I just remember reading some leftist drivel that Bush has deported more resident and illegal aliens than any other president in 40 years, the rest was just my opinion, I will see if I can find the article on the number of deportations... Give me a few minutes

[hosepipe]

Is it possible Bush will do something completely stupid to pave the way for the Hildebeasts run for Prez... ?

His daddy found a way to get Clinton elected (i.e. loudly claiming no new taxes, then taxed )... Really hope I'm just being contrary... but things lately republicratly are pointing ominously strange... any legal status for illegals (when he don't really need to do that) would betray him to me as part of a really big problem and the anti-thesis of the answer.
What IF the democrats are right about Bush ?...

N.A.H!.!

[txdoda]

I posted a question about that also and am really wondering if AP got this wrong somehow. It is surprising that such a major change in law could be contemplated when it would only apply to Mexico>>>>>

It would be a big *boo-boo* on AP's part........I also wonder why no other posters seem to be questioning this 'change' for mexico ONLY.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

When you figure a logical way to close the border as well as locating the illegals currently living in the unknown amount of unregistered rented rooms in this country. I'll accept your solution. But until then, I'll stick to my conclusion that we have to go after those who knowingly employ illegals

Let's put it this way, we can do a better job on the border than we're doing even if I were to grant you it probably can't be closed completely.

There are two effective ways of going after illegals: employer sanctions and assistance from the police. No not going door to door but only when they come into contact with them during their routine duties. The CLEAR Act pending in Congress will help with that as far as funding.

Once the law finally starts getting enforced illegals will stop coming and many will go home on their own as they did in the fifties.

[FITZ]

Yes --- it's all in the details. Ending "family reunification" policies would go a long way into making things more fair. I hope it's not only a job --- but a job that pays the full costs of the illegals --- if it's seasonal work --- then they should go home or the employer pays them unemployment. If you can hire a maid or nanny --- would it have to be one from Mexico or could they come from other countries?

I hope he insists on some Mexican government responsibility, for example there is the problem of the Mexican government pensions, that government doesn't count the time the illegal worked in the USA, even though the illegal may have sent most of his money to Mexico. It seems the Mexican government wants us to pay a good portion of their retirement pension, but I hope this is something we insist that government do instead. Fox says the illegals are "heros" so he should be glad to change that law for them. This would help the illegal aka guest worker go back to Mexico to retire, they'd receive their full Mexican pension but I don't think we should pay it.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Didn't Bush talk about giving amnesty to Mexicans only just before 9/11? The democrats immediately upped the ante by proposing amnesty for everyone.

If Bush pushes a guest worker program just for Mexico the democrats will do the same thing as before, which is good because as long as both parties are fighting with each other nothing gets passed. Another reason to believe this idea is DOA.

[FITZ]

Yes --- if we NEED immigration --- I'm not sure we do but that's a different debate --- we should have the immigrants coming from a variety of countries like has happened in the past. Soon they see for themselves the need for a common language and English can regain some importance. It's bad to see so many neighborhoods and towns going completely Spanish -- a little "mixture" would be better.

[JackelopeBreeder]

Think FTAA and an implementation date of 31 December 2004.

[mickie]

Michael Savage is going crazy about this immigation issue, on his program.
He wants to know where our Congress is. Where is the debate?.
He thinks Dean can win if Bush goes ahead without hearing the American public.
11 million votes cast against legalizing illegals, on his web page in the last two weeks.

[txdoda]

I just remember reading that 'many' countries were watching to see how the USA was treating mexico (re: immigration) & what the USA was allowing mexico to do, such as issuing & pushing the acceptance of the 'matricular card'.

Seems like most countries were saying 'if mexico can do it, or get it in the USA'.......We want it too.

I hope he insists on some Mexican government responsibility,>>>>>>>>

I hope he DEMANDS it........complete with a 'back-up plan', if they don't comply.