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I don't give a rip about the AP writers - I was just fascinated that someone who ranted for weeks on this subject would actually label someone with a different rant/criticism/point of view...a whiner.

Oh well - that's your thing. Obvioulsy, you're passionate about this subject and like to argue/debate about it and enjoy that. I was hoping to get past all this crap and congratulate two fine teams. I was obviously naive on this point as some people enjoy the debate.

BTW - I agree with you on many points and fully acknowledge that both the BCS system and AP writers have major flaws and fully acknowledge LSU as the BCS champion & USC as the AP champion. I just think we have different ways of discussing football and that's cool. Out.

Indeed. The debate is half the fun (since none of my teams are in it.

You do make a good point. When I call the AP idiots (a point I must remind that no one has refuted), I could be a whiner. I wish someone would correct me if possible.

And I have called some of the fine USC fans whiners in a moment (or a dozen) of heat. I can't think of a nicer word at times. But, you must admit, we fans can be a bit whiney.

Would USC fans argue so strongly if they were in the Sugar and LSU was in the Rose? I think not. I would. (I would be arguing with a different crowd to be sure.)

I would like to be convinced to their point but all the points that I've heard are flawed. The strongest point is that the AP voted them in and you know my opinion of that.

The rest are grasping points. Some have been argued well but painful to hear (you can't believe THAT?).

Neither outcome is of any consequence but it is interesting to see if others can be swayed. (If we can't convince each other on this point, how can we convince each other on taxes, health care, the (bogus) green house nonsense (there I go)).

I've congratulated them. And am impressed by those who would stand up to a pretty steady barrage from one passionate fan.