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Pubbie | 1/04/04 | Pubbie

[FITZ]

Also ---- what of those illegals who did NOT commit felony document fraud by using a stolen Social Security number? Because there were actually more honest, didn't choose to commit felony document fraud --- they get no monthly Social Security checks?

Seems pretty stupid that we would actually be rewarding the worst kind of illegal --- and the more honest hard working one gets nothing.

[Once-Ler]

Tancredo is NOT a nut. He will get my write-in vote for President.

Do you believe that your Presidential write-in support for Tancredo in anyway diminishes ClintonBeGone's assertion that he is a nut?

[FITZ]

Then no proof is no proof.

In the 80s amnesty there was no proof --- so the proof had to be that someone who just came over from Mexico to get in on the amnesty had to find someone ---- anyone at all --- to write a notarized letter saying they had employed them for 5 years. So we had people knocking on our doors asking us to write them this letter and getting it signed by notary public. I even had an 18 year old girl ask me to write a letter saying I had employed her --- like I would break illegal AND child labor laws?

That's why there were only about 300,000 illegals in this country in 1986 --- but amnesty was given to over 3,000,000.

[FITZ]

Then no proof is no proof.

And it's pretty bad when all you have to do to obtain a monthly Social Security check is PROVE you committed a felony crime. If you can't prove you committed a felony crime or if you didn't commit a felony crime --- then you are out of luck.

[Cultural Jihad]

You are free to use such pejorative terms as "worst kind of illegal" but it doesn't advance your argument any. They are simply economic refugees regardless of whether they worked under the counter or by assuming someone else's identity card, and if there are 8 to 12 million of them living amonst us then we have to come to grips with the reality of their existence as our neighbors.

[txdoda]

There is already a mechanism of legal immigration. We've got more legal immigrants coming in than any other country in the world. Why do we now need a legal illegal immigration mechanism? >>>>>>>>

WE DON"T !!!

It's bad enough that Bush is thinking about this latest *reward* for illegals, I hate it that "No Amnesty, "No Blanket Amnesty" is all we hear from the WH.

When in FACT, anything other than deportation (for ALL illegals) will then be an amnesty. No matter if they call it legal status, regularization, mechanism, guest worker, etc., etc.

Looks like if he's got the guts to do it, he should have the guts to say it.....Amnesty. Any thing else he calls it is just a *SPIN* on that word to the citizens.

[FITZ]

What are the stipulations for Mexicans who are likewise caught and sent back? When can they legally enter the country?

It depends. If a Mexican is caught here --- and they were not caught committing some other crime --- and they do not lie and claim they are American citizens or show false documentation --- then they have a very nice option called "voluntary departure" or "hop in --- we'll give you a ride back to Mexico" --- and they don't have any record at all --- not even a misdeamor and there are no restrictions on them coming here legally. They can do this many times as long as they aren't caught in any other crime and choose voluntary departure. The worst they have to do is lie and claim they aren't working yet.

If they are involved in some other crime or claim they're American and it's discovered they aren't then they have to go through a legal process. Deportation gets you banned from legal entry for 5 years or forever --- if you committed a felony crime.

[Cultural Jihad]

So five years if one tries to claim one is a citizen, never if a felony crime is committed, supposedly a violent felony. Thanks for the info. I doubt the situation is much different in Mexico.

[FITZ]

Yes --- I am free to rank the illegals --- but my ranking is more or less consistent with traditional laws of this country. If they are just here and didn't commit felony fraud, even if they happened to grab a rake and make $20, they are not the criminals who are dealing in Identity theft and other serious crimes. Those types should never receive anything for committing a serious crime and should be permanently banned from reentry.

[FITZ]

If an illegal lies --- and states they are an American -- or presents stolen papers to the agent --- yes they will be sent to trial and legally deported which goes on their record as they should. Lying isn't smart in this case. The illegal who admits he's from Mexico and doesn't have papers doesn't get in any trouble --- which is fine with me.

[FITZ]

Any how --- any illegal with half a brain knows these things --- they know there are consequences if they try to pass themselves off as citizens when they have no evidence or the evidence is a bunch of stolen or forged documents. They know they are better off caught with no papers than fake papers.

[Cultural Jihad]

Well, I see it differently. If they are grabbing a rake and using someone else's card, it's not that much different from grabbing a rake and getting paid under the counter. They are economic refugees, and if the difference between feeding your family or not is forging a signature then that's a heck of a lot different from forging any other document for purposes of theft or to avoid prosecution for violent crimes.

[FITZ]

How come you're so strict when it comes to some American lighting up a joint? --- then it's throw the book at him. Or an economic refugee trying to make a few bucks selling drugs? But when it comes to people dealing in document fraud and identity theft -- you're real lenient?

[Cultural Jihad]

You are misinformed. I separate out those who deal in contraband from those who consume it, which I myself do by the way. There is nothing inherently immoral about consuming cannabis or smoking tobacco or drinking alcohol, just as there is nothing inherently sinful with working to support one's family.

[Richard-SIA]

Whatever works!

The current response certainly does not, and granting yet ANOTHER amnesty will only reinforce the idea that if the invaders can just hide out in the U.S. for a few years, they are assured of being eligible for the NEXT amnesty. Rewarding the invaders with an amnesty every few years is certain to attract more of them.

Most people seem to assume that this topic only applies to Mexico, not so, invaders are pouring in from around the world.
You may recall the recent tragic death of a young INS agent who drowned saving a Chinese invader?

[spodefly]

Don't feed the trolls. (And anyone that refers to 12 million people that have snuck across the border illegally as "economic refugees" and "neighbors" is a mindless troll.)

[Cultural Jihad]

Well, if the need arrives for another amnesty years from now then that'll be fine, too. Seems like the only alternatives are to surrender national sovereignty or to machinegun women and children at the border, and only ideologues would consider either extreme option as viable.

[Cultural Jihad]

Don't feed the trolls. (And anyone that refers to 12 million people that have snuck across the border illegally as "economic refugees" and "neighbors" is a mindless troll.)

Can we get a spot-check please on this sort of language being used on this sort of thread?

[FITZ]

Anyhow --- if these people are economic refugees --- in a country as vast in natural resouces as Mexico --- and which competes with Great Britain and Germany in number of billionaires --- then Bush should grab Fox by the scuff of the neck and ask him just what the heck is going on. Why does all prosperity come to a screeching halt at the border, why with all that oil reserves, excellent farmland, 2 ocean coasts, better weather than almost anywhere --- it's part of the same land mass as the USA after all --- why are so many people fleeing and dying to escape. He needs to hand Fox a list of demands --- changes he's to make ASAP. Get that country moving.

[FITZ]

They might be economic refugees -- but there is no excuse for them being that. Mexico has an awful lot of wealth --- so much that it can give it's ex-presidents an annual salary of $5 million a year --- ten times what an American ex-president gets --- and that is 5 million in dollars.