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To: claudiustg
We have overwhelming superiority in military technology, and we will win virtually any straightforward military battle against Islamic armies.

But what worries me is that much of the West has lost its will to fight, and lost its faith in its own civilization.

When I was a kid growing up in the sixties, people still talked a lot about Pearl Harbor. A quarter of a century had passed, but people who lived through that time still remembered it. I had an uncle who fought in WW II who wouldn't buy anything made in Japan, because he was still mad at them circa 1967.

That may sound excessive today, but it was also a sign of our society's health. People were furious at Japan for attacking us, and it took a long time for them to forget it. This was an attitude that permeated society with very few exceptions.

Compare that to 9-11. Most Freepers are still furious over it, but that is not a feeling that is nearly universal in our society. Within two weeks of the 9-11 terrorist attacks, some of my acquaintances were ready to forget about it. The attitude was, "Hey, it was an awful thing, and we should safeguard against it happening again, but we need to put it behind us and move on". Forty-something percent of the population will likely vote for Howard Dean, a white flag waver in the war on terror, in the 2004 election.

I sense a country divided, not a universal anger over 9-11 and a commitment by 95% of the population to do something about it. Even President Bush felt it necessary to visit a Mosque after 9-11 to declare Islam a religion of peace. Can you imagine FDR, even though a Democrat, visiting a Shinto shrine on 12/8/41?

Decades of moral relativism, multi-culturalism, and political correctness have taken their toll. Millions of kids have graduated high school, having been indoctrinated in the idea that Western Civilization is no better than any other, and in fact may be worse since it's racist, sexist, homophobic, imperialist, etc. Phony interpretations of the Constitution have driven our faith and religious heritage from the public square. Open immigration has flooded our nation with millions of third worlders who, unlike prior waves of newcomers, have not been encouraged to adopt American culture and ideals. They instead remain loyal to their homeland.

The same thing is occurring in Europe, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Roughly half of the population in most Western nations no longer value their own society and its heritage. As Islamic and other third world populations grow due to immigration and high birth rates, it will become harder and harder for our "liberal", secularized, "tolerant" post-Christian populations to maintain the backbone needed to fight.

As of today, I think a slight majority of the American population is willing to fight, and Bush will be returned to office because of it. But if a 9-11 type attack had hit America in 1955, before the sixties era began our downward slide, we would have been 95% behind a war against the terrorists and their cells.

At the current rate of degeneration, in a couple of decades, a majority of our population will have no interest in defending our nation or its "racist, sexist, homophobic, Euro-centric" heritage.
39 posted on 01/04/2004 12:29:42 PM PST by puroresu
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To: puroresu
But what worries me is that much of the West has lost its will to fight, and lost its faith in its own civilization.

Fantastic post! A keeper. Unfortunately, you are very correct.

56 posted on 01/04/2004 4:47:42 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: puroresu
But what worries me is that much of the West has lost its will to fight, and lost its faith in its own civilization.

One thing that I should have added: many people today have the attitude of "why should I care, it doesn't effect me." They are so completely self-absorbed that don't get angry about anything unless it negatively effects them personally. Otherwise, forget it. There's the massive loss of the sense that we're all in this big boat called America together.

60 posted on 01/04/2004 5:05:55 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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