[the invisib1e hand]

I certainly see him as the son of God. I think whether I'm saved or not is not gonna be up to me.

that's sort of an oxymoron, isn't it? Why would Jesus be credible as the Son of God, and not the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world, when He testified that He is both?

See how people measure others by their own standards? Howard Dean thinks that Jesus told the crowds what they wanted to hear, what He needed to say in order to get what He wanted. He thinks that Jesus told some people that He is the Son of God, and others, that His blood is shed for the remissions of sins...

Howard Dean apparently thinks that Jesus is a deluded storyteller like he is. Deny Christ -----> Lose your grip. It's axiomatic.

[Terry Mross]

He's right. It's not up to him. I hope I'm saved but only Christ knows for sure and I'll only know when I die. I know I'm not worthy of redemption. It's a true oxymoron. If I put myself last I will be first. If I know I'm not worthy of saving, I'll be saved. I think it's egotistical to say "I'm going to heaven." I had a cousin who, as a child, when she got mad she would say, "I'm going up there but you're going down there." Lots of people give Christ a bad name.