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Descendants of slaves pursue lawsuit for reparations in Chicago
CBS 2 Chicago ^ | January 03, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/03/2004 4:13:26 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John

CHICAGO (AP) Almost 150 years after Andrew Jackson Hurdle was torn away from his family and put on the auction block as a 9-year-old slave, his daughter is seeking justice for him.

Hannah Hurdle-Toomey, 71, of Belleville, signed on as one of two people from Illinois named in a class-action lawsuit seeking reparations from 19 companies that they say benefited from the slave trade. The other is Marcelle Porter, a 74-year-old Chicago woman who said her great-grandmother was a slave in North Carolina.

A Jan. 26 hearing is scheduled in U.S. District Court in Chicago. Judge Charles Norgle could dismiss the lawsuit if he agrees with the defendants' argument that the plaintiffs can't sue for something that happened to their ancestors.

But if the plaintiffs eventually prevail, they said they will use the money to set up a trust fund to help the black community support social programs, said Lionel Jean-Baptiste, the lawyer representing the two women from Illinois.

``It's not about individuals, it's about a broad community seeking capital to rebuild our community,'' Jean-Baptiste said after a recent meeting with dozens of supporters of the lawsuit. ``We need a Marshall Plan to help our community. This is a collective remedy.''

The lawsuit was first filed in U.S. District Court in New York in 2002 and moved last year to Chicago. The suit names companies like the Lehman Brothers brokerage firm, Aetna Insurance and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco.

Lawyers for the companies named in the lawsuit contend that people do not have the right to sue for something that happened to the plaintiffs' ancestors. They also argue the companies were not directly responsible for the plight of slaves.

``Plaintiffs' grievances are claimed to arise from the fact of their inclusion in a racial group, and are therefore insufficient to overcome the problem that they constitute a `generalized grievance' which does not give them standing to bring this suit,'' the lawyers argued in court papers filed recently.

Hannah Hurdle-Toomey said that even if the lawsuit is dismissed, it will not diminish the life of her father who helped found a religious college. Like her father, Hurdle-Toomey was ordained a Disciples of Christ minister.

``It's that independent streak I inherited from my father nobody controls my mind but me and the Lord,'' she said. ``There's nothing that the judge could do or nothing anybody else can do. ... The what-ifs don't bother me.''

Hurdle, whose life stretched well into the 20th century, had 25 children with two wives; Hurdle-Toomey was his youngest. In a letter collected in a 1978 family book, Hurdle recalled his life.

``I am a self-made man, have never gone to school a day in my life; got what little education I have by studying at night by a pine torch light a great many times,'' Hurdle wrote. ``I was sold off from my parents. . . . I consider that God has blessed me in raising my children.''


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aetna; gimmee; lehmanbrothers; reparations; rjreynolds; shakedown; slavery; wheresmine
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Let's just say they do win their suit (I hope to God they don't). Twenty years from now, I'm sure they'll be saying they didn't get enough money for their pain and suffering.
1 posted on 01/03/2004 4:13:27 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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CHICAGO (AP) Almost 150 years after Andrew Jackson Hurdle was torn away from his family and put on the auction block as a 9-year-old slave, his daughter is seeking justice for him.

Unless Andrew Jackson Hurdle is 159 years old, he is dead. And under common law, the dead have no legal weight.

Judge Charles Norgle could dismiss the lawsuit if he agrees with the defendants' argument that the plaintiffs can't sue for something that happened to their ancestors.

See above.

But if the plaintiffs eventually prevail, they said they will use the money to set up a trust fund to help the black community support social programs, said Lionel Jean-Baptiste, the lawyer representing the two women from Illinois.

Because Lionel Jean-Baptiste can hardly tell the truth, which is that the plaintiffs will use the money to buy crack cocaine, gamble on the dogs, and piss the money away like people generally DO when they steal it.

``It's not about individuals, it's about a broad community seeking capital to rebuild our community,'' Jean-Baptiste said after a recent meeting with dozens of supporters of the lawsuit. ``We need a Marshall Plan to help our community. This is a collective remedy.''

"This is also a collective way to make myself rich, kind of like the tobacco lawyers did. This class-action crap is a gold mine," she said, rubbing her hands with glee.

4 posted on 01/03/2004 4:23:38 PM PST by IronJack
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``It's not about individuals, it's about a broad community seeking capital to rebuild our community,'' Jean-Baptiste said after a recent meeting with dozens of supporters of the lawsuit. ``We need a Marshall Plan to help our community. This is a collective remedy.''

Why not try to get the money from the black athletes and entertainers who have made billions through the American system and might want to help out? Because, as Mr. Potter said, "They would run you out of town on a rail."

5 posted on 01/03/2004 4:27:21 PM PST by 07055
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Smacks of extortion and exploitation of the so-called white man's guilt. Blacks will get more money from me (ostensibly to compensate for slavery) over my dead body.

My great-great grandfather was denied a job because he was Italian...do I get any money or publicity?

I smell Je$$e Jacka$$.

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7 posted on 01/03/2004 4:35:21 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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Aetna's website (they're one of the defendants) has links to the pleadings in the litigation. I assume it's the case this thread is talking about, because it's now in Illinois. Not much has happened yet. Warning, if you use the links at the website, the legal pleadings are huge. The complaint is 119 pages long. The defendants' motion to dismiss is 94 pages long, and its table of contents alone is 3 pages. But if you want to know what it's all about, here's where to go: Slavery Reparations Litigation.
8 posted on 01/03/2004 4:49:00 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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9 posted on 01/03/2004 4:50:16 PM PST by mhking (My brother and I had never seen The Belt........but we had heard about it....)
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Next target for reparations in Chicago-

Mrs. O'Leary's cow!

10 posted on 01/03/2004 4:50:44 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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Would those related to those formerly in slave trade pay more? Would "blood" be on a quota system depending on the content of African relations?
11 posted on 01/03/2004 4:56:40 PM PST by freeforall
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I support reparations for Former slaves.

any Black person born here today is in a much better position than if they were in africa now, so I don't see how they have been hurt by slavery at all.
12 posted on 01/03/2004 4:57:48 PM PST by modmans2ndcoming
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Lots of white folks died to end slavery. How about reparations for their families?
13 posted on 01/03/2004 5:02:57 PM PST by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: IronJack
Unless Andrew Jackson Hurdle is 159 years old, he is dead. And under common law, the dead have no legal weight.

Every state has its own common law. Since the plaintiff has filed suit in federal court in Chicago, the judge will apply the law of Illinois, which can attribute any legal weight it likes to the claims of the dead.

Furthermore, it is, generally speaking, possible for people to sue concerning things which had occurred to their deceased relatives. A wife can sue for wrongful death if her husband was killed in an accident. A son can sue as executor of his father's estate to recover money which his father was owed. Etc.

That said, the daughter is going to have to explain what and how, exactly, one of the nineteen defendant companies supposedly did to harm her father, and how exactly Illinois law provides that she could get restitution and/or punitive damages for it.

14 posted on 01/03/2004 5:06:06 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (You keep nasty chips.)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
I didn't own any slaves and I don't owe the lazy b*******s a damn thing and neither does anyone else. We were ALL slaves at one time or another (from the Bible on). You don't see us out there asking for handouts because OUR ancestors were slaves. I also smell Je$$ie Jack$on in this.
15 posted on 01/03/2004 5:09:43 PM PST by WasDougsLamb
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
If the plaintiffs do succeed, the only commonality shared by slaveholders, slave States and other slavery interests was membership in or domination by the Democratic party. It would be suitable justice for the Democrats to pay all reparations. It's only FAIR that the guilty party (no pun intended) should pay the victims of slavery.
16 posted on 01/03/2004 5:12:15 PM PST by ARNOLD1957
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Jean-Baptiste has to make a name for himself somehow. Look how Tawana Brawley propeled Sharpton into the good life.
17 posted on 01/03/2004 5:13:14 PM PST by fso301
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``It's not about individuals, it's about a broad community seeking capital to rebuild our community,''

Okay so they are saying the 8 (or whatever) trillion spent on the welfare state hasn't helped "rebuild their community" (five or ten times over)? This is nothing more than atttempted robbery using the courts.

Who sadly are too often just liberal enough to help keep them dependant on others.
18 posted on 01/03/2004 5:13:53 PM PST by JSteff
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Haiti Seeks To Change Its Fortunes With French Sting (Reparations)
19 posted on 01/03/2004 5:16:42 PM PST by blam
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Well I plan to sue for compensation for loosing my great great grandfather if they win. He lost his life in the civil war to abolish slavery. Gee, I used to think it was just part of history. grrrr
20 posted on 01/03/2004 5:19:29 PM PST by armymarinemom (My Son Liberated the Honor Roll Students in Iraq)
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