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Suspects revealed al-Qaeda plot to blow up aircraft
The Times (UK) ^ | 1/03/04 | Daniel McGrory and Stewart Tendler

Posted on 01/02/2004 4:33:31 PM PST by saquin

VITAL scraps of intelligence pieced together by British agents revealed how Islamic terrorists were again intent on using aircraft for their next serious attack.

Two suspects questioned by British investigators said that an aircraft leaving a London airport would be part of this new al-Qaeda operation intended to eclipse the death toll in the September 11 attacks. One of these men is understood to have said that the attack was planned for the Christmas and new year holidays.

The revelations came as government eavesdroppers began picking up e-mails from the Middle East referring to transatlantic flights.

Al-Qaeda is desperate to stage another terrorist outrage to prove that it is still capable of orchestrating such a sophisticated and deadly operation, despite recent arrests of some of its most valued organisers.

The suspicion passed to ministers was that terrorists were intending to blow up aircraft packed with passengers returning to America after the holidays over a major city. A British security source said last night: “Such an attack would result in catastrophic loss of life, cause mayhem among travellers and give al-Qaeda the publicity they crave.”

A team of anti-terrorist officers and MI5 agents was ordered last autumn to concentrate on tracking down details of an alleged plot involving aircraft. The team identified one Briton whom they believed was a pivotal figure in this operation. They secretly monitored his telephone calls for weeks, hoping that it would lead them to the mastermind behind the plot and reveal precise details of an attack.

One intercepted conversation mentioned a flight from London bound for America’s East Coast. New York and Washington were seen as obvious targets, though US officials stretched the alert to include other cities such as Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami.

Experts say that the terrorists had three main options. They could again hijack a passenger aircraft and turn it into a flying bomb, although increased security since September 11 made that more difficult.

Another possibility was a missile attack on a fully laden aircraft as it took off and was at its most vunerable. Security officials foiled an attempt by al-Qaeda last year to attack a British holiday flight taking off from Mombassa, Kenya.

Two months ago, Saudi officials uncovered a plot to target a BA flight taking off from Riyadh with a shoulder-held missile. The weapon was found abandoned in a car close to the airport perimeter after a shoot-out with wanted terrorists in the Saudi capital.

However, senior British investigators suspect the most likely option would involve blowing up a number of aircraft in mid-air in a carefully synchronised operation. Richard Reid, a south London petty crook trained at an al-Qaeda camp in Afghanistan, was stopped by fellow passengers on a flight from Paris to Miami trying to detonate explosives hidden in his shoe in December 2001. Since then al-Qaeda operatives have allegedly been developing new ways to smuggle explosives through airport detectors.

Suspects held here and in the United States have told how these “kit bombs” would be assembled on board. Components of the bomb could be hidden in cabin luggage, concealed in shampoo and medicine bottles in a passenger’s wash bag.

Blowing up passenger aircraft in mid-air was a blueprint for al-Qaeda in the early 1990s. Osama bin Laden allegedly vetoed a plan to hijack up to 11 American airliners in the world’s biggest simultaneous hijack and detonate them above the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. The al-Qaeda leader is said to have refined this plan into the September 11 operation, arguing that if there were too many aircraft involved then details of the hijackings were more likely to leak.

Al-Qaeda has a habit of returning to plans that it failed to execute, as it did in attacking the World Trade Centre eight years after members first bombed it.

Extremist websites known to have close links with al-Qaeda have in recent weeks been giving warnings of another imminent attack aimed at embarrassing the Bush Administration.

The difficulty for the authorities is that, as they were uncertain of the exact nature of any attack, they did not know how much of this intelligence should be shared with airlines or travellers.

Kevin Rosser, a terrorism analyst at the Control Risks Group, said: “We are in a world where governments feel they have to act on scraps of information.

“If, God forbid, something terrible happens and then it emerges that governments had information of a risk but did not do anything, they would be exposed politically.”

Mr Rosser explained that it was not possible just to remove suspect passengers and then allow the rest on board to fly, as the suspect might have an associate on the flight.

Increased checks were ordered at UK airports on cargo being flown to the United States in the hold of passenger flights as well as even stricter security for travellers checking in for American-bound flights.

MI5 is said to have received information last summer of the names of two British passport holders who had been recruited for suicide attacks.

The US authorities also claimed that some of those held at Guantanamo Bay had also betrayed crucial information on how aircraft would be integral to al-Qaeda’s next significant strike.

Information from the FBI, CIA and US military intelligence was funnelled into JTAC, the newly created Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre. Set up last June, it includes officers from MI5, MI6, GCHQ, the MoD, police, the DTI and Transec, the security division of the Department of Transport. Within a few weeks of the start of JTAC’s operations Elizabeth Manningham-Buller, the head of MI5, said that the unit was already handling 150 pieces of intelligence a day.

Scotland Yard announced a new level of terrorism alert in November, placing London and other forces round the country on the second highest alert. On December 23 Tom Ridge, the US Homeland Security director, placed the United States on orange alert, the second highest of five alerts used by the American security forces.

Within days officials in Washington began warning airlines around the world that they must toughen up their onboard security and Whitehall officials and police commanders were privately briefed about new American fears of an airborne attack against an American target.

On Monday, the Government announced after discussions with Washington that police marksmen in plain clothes would join selected British flights to the United States as sky marshals. The US began putting pressure on other countries to follow suit.

Washington made it clear that flights would be intercepted or banned from US airspace if there were the slightest security concerns.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; alqaedastrategy; intellience; mi5; terrorism; threats
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To: greenwolf
neither will work.

the bomber can make the explosive from something he has on his person (like shoes, or a contact lens cleaning solution kit), and just go into the lavatory to set it up. someone with a gun, even an air marshal, cannot stop that by shooting him. you would have to ban ALL carry on, no shoes, no purses, nothing.
21 posted on 01/02/2004 5:27:02 PM PST by oceanview
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To: expatpat
suppose they check a box on their ticket that said they are Lutheran, what are you going to do?
22 posted on 01/02/2004 5:28:07 PM PST by oceanview
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To: saquin
The revelations came as government eavesdroppers began picking up e-mails from the Middle East referring to transatlantic flights.

Now al-Qaeda is having revelations on how they were found out.

I falied to see if anyone was arrested or do they just let these characters free to go pioneering.

23 posted on 01/02/2004 5:28:52 PM PST by oyez (Incredible!)
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To: Yaelle
Would you have removed Richard Reid

You bet your A$$ I would have:


24 posted on 01/02/2004 5:29:15 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: BJungNan
None of the flights involved in 9-11 and none the flights in this situation originated in the Middle East.
25 posted on 01/02/2004 5:32:25 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: Peach
thanks for the ping,,seems we dodged a bullet.
26 posted on 01/02/2004 5:33:07 PM PST by cajungirl (I adore the Brits!! Tony Blair is my hero!!)
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To: oceanview
It's going to take a little background checking. They may have to make their reservations at least a week in advance, to give time for that.
27 posted on 01/02/2004 5:34:02 PM PST by expatpat
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To: saquin
They worship Satan and serve him well.

They'd better not expect rewards. The Devil will roast them in hell with no regard to their devotion. Such is the fate of Devil-worshippers!

28 posted on 01/02/2004 5:38:45 PM PST by Savage Beast ( "Whom WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!" ~Happy2BMe)
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To: saquin
Suspects held here and in the United States have told how these “kit bombs” would be assembled on board. Components of the bomb could be hidden in cabin luggage, concealed in shampoo and medicine bottles in a passenger’s wash bag.

This coupled with info from another thread indicating that Yousef (sp?) could have brought down an airliner with his contact lenses is quite interesting.

29 posted on 01/02/2004 5:39:24 PM PST by mombonn
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To: expatpat
Then, only the Muslim flight needs to be shadowed, but closely, by F-16s. It should be allowed to land only at say Raleigh-Durham airport, not DC or New York.

Don't send them to Raleigh/Durham..this is my back yard....send them to ah, er, hmmmmm......Cuba

30 posted on 01/02/2004 5:42:56 PM PST by GetUsOutOfTheUnitedNations (This is a Republic, not a democracy, let us keep it that way)
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To: McGavin999
. . . perhaps then they will stop trying to trip up Bush and concentrate on trying to trip up the terrorists

LOL - you must still belive in Santa Claus! LOL - Happy New Year, dear one!

31 posted on 01/02/2004 5:43:27 PM PST by mombonn
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To: mombonn
"This coupled with info from another thread indicating that Yousef (sp?) could have brought down an airliner with his contact lenses is quite interesting."

I guess he substituted the contact lenses with the pilots causing the pilot to overshoot the runway and crash.

32 posted on 01/02/2004 5:51:16 PM PST by spokeshave (TDIDS = The Dow is Driving Skyward = Tom Daschle is Deeply Saddened)
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To: expatpat
You want to Captain that flight?
33 posted on 01/02/2004 5:55:56 PM PST by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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Place marker
34 posted on 01/02/2004 5:56:38 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Join the $5 a month club. See GrampaDave!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
Only 2 out of 4 hit their target.

My spouse thinks it was more than that...that there were more planned hijackings that day, and the halting of all air traffic that day saved innumerable lives!

I believe that is possible...and the cessation of these British Airways/Air France/AeroMexico flights are also throwing major wrenches in Al Qaeda's plans to get attention. This article is probably accurate: Osama bin Jackass craves some public act on which he can claim responsibility.

I'll be glad when our Special Forces drag his ragged ass out of whatever crap-filled cave he's calling home now. Of course, Howard Dean doesn't want us to 'pre-judge' him, but Howard Dean isn't my president.

35 posted on 01/02/2004 6:04:01 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: saquin
If this is true, the AQ is in even worse shape than I thought (and I thought they were in pretty bad shape to begin with). If they thought that we were going to fall for the old crash-planes-into-cities trick again, they are a lot dumber than anyone estimated.
36 posted on 01/02/2004 6:16:14 PM PST by thoughtomator ("I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid"-Qadafi)
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To: expatpat
How would you get them to admit they are Muslim? If it helps the jihad they probably would lie.
37 posted on 01/02/2004 6:20:07 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Howlin
I am telling you, reid is a ringer for a guy that was ringing the alvation Army bell for donations outside my local Waldbaum's supermarket back in December 2001. He was dressed in a completely noticeable gigantically oversized coat with the hood covering a good deal of his face. This piqued my interest because that year we had a very warm winter. But I went over to him and looked at his face and I saw a huge nose, dark skin and a poorly grown beard and face stubble. I balked because he looked gruesome and Middle Eastern. This was before the reid case happened. When the dude peered at me from behind all his coverings, he said, "Hamasa?" I felt like I was in a Twilight Zone episode. I tried to find out what "Hamasa" meant later on, but I never could make real sense of it.

Anyway, soon we heard about the reid incident and when I saw reid, I realized how similar they look. I know the Salvation Army guy was not reid, but they could be brothers.

38 posted on 01/02/2004 6:22:40 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Howlin
Not a good stand-in for Mel Gibson, is he?
39 posted on 01/02/2004 6:22:57 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: JustPiper
Ping...
40 posted on 01/02/2004 6:23:39 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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