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Can I Buy You a Drink and Light Your Cigarette? (Cathryn Crawford)
The Washington Dispatch ^
| January 2, 2004
| Cathryn Crawford
Posted on 01/02/2004 8:44:44 AM PST by Scenic Sounds
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To: Scenic Sounds
"Granting that assumption, which deserves priority" No assumption deserves priority. Science is divided on the effects of second hand smoke.
To: Poser
I love smokers. Every time they buy a pack of cigarettes, they pay a few dollars tax that I won't have to pay. If the government keeps THIS up, all smokers WON'T be paying into the state coffers anymore. THEN they WILL come for YOU!
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posted on
01/02/2004 10:54:13 AM PST
by
SheLion
(Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
To: Gabz
Why do you think I plan on planting tobacco this year. The summers are too short up here and the winters to long for me to even consider growing tobacco. It's a hard crop to grow in the north.
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posted on
01/02/2004 10:55:20 AM PST
by
SheLion
(Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
To: SheLion
I'm going to experiment - what have I got to lose? A couple of bucks for seeds and some time in the garden? And considering the size of the garden I'm planning this year, another few rows of another crop is not going to be adding much to either the time or the budget!!!!
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posted on
01/02/2004 10:58:57 AM PST
by
Gabz
(smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
To: Gabz
Just remember, if you don't own a tobacco allotment, you are limited in quantity.
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posted on
01/02/2004 11:03:44 AM PST
by
patton
(I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
To: SheLion; Cathryn Crawford
Wow... Did anybody just get knocked off the site?
That was weird. (No... I haven't been drinking...but not a bad idea! :))
I fear we are becoming a nanny state, where some people want the government to make our choices for us.
When do we allow people to grow up if someone is always going to be calling the shots on what they think is good or bad for them?
What happened to the rugged individualism that this Country was founded on?
I hope that we can right this ship, and allow each person to make their own decisions in regards to what they decide to put into their mouths.
To: Scenic Sounds
The problem is that most of the "libertarians" grant that there should be some restrictions on one's use of property L(l)ibertarians hold that the only legitimate restriction on private property would be in using it to initiate force against another. For example, a legitimate restriction of owning a hammer is not using it to commit an unprovoked attack. If they go beyond that, by definition you are not describing a libertarian.
most of the "communists" agree that there are some limits to government.
Like what? From history's lessons we see communist governments do whatever they like.
Instead, he sees ownership as involving a bundle of different rights
Ok, aside from the owner's rights could you please describe the other rights relevant to smoking laws, who exactly holds them, where these rights are derived from and precisely how they are being violated by a voluntarily entered privately owned smoking establishment?
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posted on
01/02/2004 11:08:54 AM PST
by
freeeee
(I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it)
To: patton
1/10th of an acre per person is considered personal use, if I remember correctly.
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posted on
01/02/2004 11:10:08 AM PST
by
Gabz
(smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
To: Scenic Sounds
Until smoking is banned altogether, the decisions regarding the right to smoke in privately owned businesses should be left up to the individual discretion of the owner. Is this a forgone conclusion---smoking to be ultimately banned?
To: Gabz
I'm going to experiment - what have I got to lose? A couple of bucks for seeds and some time in the garden? And considering the size of the garden I'm planning this year, another few rows of another crop is not going to be adding much to either the time or the budget!!!! You live in the land of the sun. I, too, would consider it if I lived in the south. Good for you, Gabz and good luck with it! It would sure be a wonderful project and sure would save even MORE money.
Where would you get the seeds? Do you know how to dry out the leaves and cut it? The leaves are huge, though. But one leaf would probably make a LOT of cartons, right?
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posted on
01/02/2004 11:10:58 AM PST
by
SheLion
(Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
To: Hemingway's Ghost
Is this a forgone conclusion---smoking to be ultimately banned? That is the ultimate goal of the control freaks.....however, they are running into a slight problem - their own addiction to the taxes generated from tobacco.
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posted on
01/02/2004 11:16:16 AM PST
by
Gabz
(smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
To: SheLion
Where door next will the Gestapo government be knocking on next? It's rather frightening. Hell, smoking cannabis is even less harmful for you than smoking tobacco, and you can't even light up a mary jane in your own home without running the risk of losing everything you have and getting locked up in prison. Get used to it, tobacco newcomers!
To: Northern Yankee
Wow... Did anybody just get knocked off the site?I did. I had to reboot. Thought it was just me.
I fear we are becoming a nanny state, where some people want the government to make our choices for us.
When do we allow people to grow up if someone is always going to be calling the shots on what they think is good or bad for them?
Ever get this feeling of late?
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posted on
01/02/2004 11:20:36 AM PST
by
SheLion
(Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
To: SheLion
I'm going to get my seeds through an online catalogo seed company - same as I get most of my pepper seeds. My book marks for them are on my other hard drive so I don't have access to them at the moment.
Do you know how to dry out the leaves and cut it?
Nope - but that is what books are for. I looked in the library and was totally shocked that of all the books on Virginia agriculture there was only one small publication about tobacco production, and that was was from the mid 70s and issued by the Tobacco Institute.
Some of the seed companies have books listed on their sites with the how tos - I'm going to look them up and the next time I am in Salibusry I will head for the book warehouse there to find some.
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posted on
01/02/2004 11:22:19 AM PST
by
Gabz
(smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
To: Hemingway's Ghost
tobacco newcomers!TOBACCO NEWCOMERS????!!!!!
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posted on
01/02/2004 11:23:01 AM PST
by
SheLion
(Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
To: Hemingway's Ghost
Hell, smoking cannabis is even less harmful for you than smoking tobacco, and you can't even light up a mary jane in your own home without running the risk of losing everything you have and getting locked up in prison. Get used to it, tobacco newcomers! For one thing: when I smoke a cigarette, it doesn't give me that whacky "high" that pot does. I am still in control of myself, thank you.
I don't need that euphoria feeling.
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posted on
01/02/2004 11:26:23 AM PST
by
SheLion
(Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
To: Hemingway's Ghost
Get used to it, tobacco newcomers! Actually that is what we are seeking to prevent.
The major difference between the situation with cannabis and tobacco is money. The nanny state derives way too much money from tobacco for it to go the route of cannabis.
IMHO cannabis should be treated no differently than alcohol or tobacco. However that is not where I expend my energies at this time.
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posted on
01/02/2004 11:27:30 AM PST
by
Gabz
(smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
To: Scenic Sounds
If health issues outweighed every argument, we wouldn't be agonizing over what to do with the Aids Brigade.
To: forktail
I hope you never have occasion to ride in the back of a diesel-powered truck.
To: Cathryn Crawford
I used to be that smart, when I was your age.
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