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To: inkling
We are a nation at war. This is a time for serious people. We don't have the time to waste on third-party vanity candidates. Wait several years until the grown-ups solve the big problems, then idiots like this guy can get back in the sandbox to play.

Oh yes. $400 billion for a boondoggle of a healthcare plan. Open ended war that could go for the next 50 years as administration after administration declares new 'terrorist groups' if the neocons have their way. Non-defense spending as not seen at the levels since LBJ. I do love how the 'grown-ups' ridicule the issues when someone of substance comes onto the field. Much better to keep the childish king-of-the-hill R vs. D battle up eh? Has it ever occurred to you that neither party is very conservative? And what do children do when faced with a decision between two items? They pick the lesser of the two knowing full welll neither suits their needs.

I agree, it's time for serious people. People that are concerned with following what the Constitution says instead of using it as some sort of catchphrase, depending rather on stirring up patriotic 'feelings' instead of answering serious questions, all the while shredding the Constitution of these United States with massive expenditures and 'patriot' acts meant to 'protect' us while destroying freedom. This is what has been going on in Washington by both parties.

There's not really an ounce worth of difference between what they propose and what we propose, or what we end up voting for. We act like we are doing this big, mean, ugly fight. We try to draw these distinctive lines, but the lines are really blurred. Ninety-five percent of it is theater. When you look in the eyes of the appropriators, I don't see a lot of difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. When it comes to pork barrel spending, I don't see a big difference here on Capitol Hill. -- U.S. Representative Matt Salmon (R-AZ) in the Nov. 20, 2000 issue of The New American.

Constitution Party of NC

Sad really, when even a Republican admits it. But keep it up, I could care less. Conservatism will come back around in this nation of states. It has to. That's the only thing that keeps me hoping every time I turn on the TV to see another spending bill gleefully passed. But I guess it's okay since 'we' are in charge.

27 posted on 01/01/2004 10:25:50 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears; Mid-State Constitution Party; jimkress
I agree, it's time for serious people. People that are concerned with following what the Constitution says instead of using it as some sort of catchphrase, depending rather on stirring up patriotic 'feelings' instead of answering serious questions, all the while shredding the Constitution of these United States with massive expenditures and 'patriot' acts meant to 'protect' us while destroying freedom. This is what has been going on in Washington by both parties.

Well put. Out-spending and expanding beyond LBJ's not-so-"Great Society" is anything but conservative.

35 posted on 01/01/2004 10:37:23 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: billbears
Look, you know and I know that the only political party out there that can defeat the Dems is the Republicans. There is no way on God's green Earth the Constitution Party has a chance.

Why don't you guys field some candidates for Congressional races instead of focusing on the Presidency, who is just a figurehead for the Executive Branch anyway? In fact that's what the Constitution Party should do - you'll achieve more of your goals in Congress than you would if you elect a President.

48 posted on 01/01/2004 10:51:32 PM PST by Chris Tucker
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To: billbears
"And what do children do when faced with a decision between two items? They pick the lesser of the two knowing full welll neither suits their needs."

I'd say the children have it over the 3rd party ideologues. At least the children can see that there are TWO REAL choices.

Whereas the 3rd party ideologues LACK the common sense held by mere children. The child knows that the 3rd and 4th choices are not viable.

But the ideologue rests in intellectually comforting denial. So self-satisfied by his superiority. So untainted by compromise.

Always unaccountable for the problems, because they aren't his fault. Because he didn't vote for the winning "compromiser."

I for one am sure glad that Harry Browne (blame America first) or Pat Buchanan (blame Israel first) aren't responsible for the real world task of governing and defending America.

At best wasted votes; at worst votes which put the bad guys in power.
71 posted on 01/02/2004 12:26:54 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: billbears
Open ended war that could go for the next 50 years as administration after administration declares new 'terrorist groups' if the neocons have their way.

Not to mention the unlimited power to declare someone an "enemy combatant" and make that person disappear without so much as the courtesy of a hearing.

That is what totalitarian police states do, not republics.

118 posted on 01/02/2004 3:05:09 PM PST by TBP
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