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To: nopardons
Let's just pretend ( because that's all you do anyway ! ), for a moment, that you got exactly what you think you want. Let's pretend that there are NO Federal laws, now extant, which the PURE FOOD and DRUG BILL/s have enforced for almost 100 years, absolutely NO SS,no welfare,no schools ( except private/religious ones )and no illegal substances. You wake up tomorrow and all of those things are in place; no warnings, no announcements,it's just so.

Wow and to think that this nation of states did without many of those things for over 140 years. Whatever did we do without FDR? That's who you neocons look up to now isn't it?

If you don't think that chaos would ensue, you are dead wrong. More money in your pocket ? Not for long, since states and towns/cities/villages would start raising taxes like NEVER before! And that's just for starters.You and I have no idea what each state could come up with, regarding all kinds of crazy stuff, but I can guess.

You can guess?!? That's all you've got? You can guess what they can come up with? It certainly could be no worse than what the 'learned' in Washington have come up with. Money based on nothing but good faith, boondoggle healthcare plans, etc.

We'll have to reinstate poor houses (your taxes will rise), each state/local area will have to find more money for schools and colleges (your taxes rise), they'll need more jails (your taxes will rise),and I've not even talked about that'll happen when there's tainted/messed with food,more dopers on the streets, and the like...yet.

Dopers on the streets? LOL!!! You centralization freaks just love to bring that one up. Ever hear of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution? Each and every one of the issues you try to scare me with are covered quite easily by that Amendment. It's what is called a Federal Republic. Federalist #45? The states would have control over these issues, and with much lower federal taxes considering we wouldn't be propping up a Tower of Babel in Washington any funding the states would need could be easily covered by taxing the citizenry. However some of these issues would not be handled by the state and would require, gasp!!!, personal responsibility. Hmmm...seems I heard a politician talk about that once. Huh, must have been just more stump talk...

Each state could and most probably would decide things like homosexual marriage,which the Federal government would have NO say about. Don't like what your state's done? Move, you say Most people can't just pack up and leave,but even if everyone did that,then states would then be faced with inadequate housing, schools problems ( not enough/too many ), massive amounts of people without jobs/massive amounts of jobs and not enough people, and on and on and on.

Ahh, more scare tactics. Don't you neocons accuse the Democrats of doing this all the time? Homosexual marriage? Would the citizens of the respective states not have their voices heard by who they elect into their respective state legislatures? And why would I want the national government to have any say about it? They've done enough as it is destroying every good and decent thing at the state level by rewording and twisting the 14th Amendment. Judge Moore would still have the 10 Commandments up in Alabama, North Carolina would still have a law against sodomy, and abortion would still be illegal in the states that didn't want it if it weren't for the national government stepping in with their rendition of the 'living, breathing' Constitution

You NEVER think of the consequences; no, you just want what you think you want and damn all else. That's childish !

No, I've thought about the consequences. I know what the consequences would be, the good and the bad. And I'm saying, according to the document that founded this nation of states, that's what the Founding Fathers intended

131 posted on 01/02/2004 6:44:18 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
The PURE FOOD AND DRUG BILLS were enacted 25+ years prior to FDR's first term as president.

There were far less people living in America,fewer states, and people died from things that people don't die from now.People and especially women and babies were addicted to patent medicines containing massive amounts of alcohol ( many alcoholics, who had NO idea that they WERE alcoholics !), poison, and/or various narcotics. Even when people KNEW what they were dealing with ( laudanum ), they used it anyway and killed their children and/or themselves.

Ronald Reagan LOOKED UP TO FDR AND PRAISED HIM , WHEN PRESIDENT , Reagan is a neocon, but I still think that FDR was a ghastly president, who surrounded himself with stinking Commies, sold us and Eastern Europe out to Stalin,and is no one to " look up " to! Neither, dear, am I a " neocon ".

Oh, I can make educated guess, based on FACTUAL historical occurrences of the past; unlike you. You need to take off those rose colored glasses, which let in absolutely NO light nor image.You can't imagine anything which might happen, because you have no common sense, no knowledge of what went before,and are a broken record vis-a-vis re your own delusions. LOL

Of sure, just as the state legislators " listen " to what the states' citizenry want now...yeah, right, un hunh. You just haven't a clue! LOL

For the umpteenth time, I AM NOT A NEOCON , and using that term as a pejorative, makes about as much sense as calling me, or anyone else you don't agree with, a racists.Learn a new word, you leftover KNOW-NOTHING.

And now, I'll stop this stupidity ( replying to you ), since I've given the lurkers more than enough of rational thought, to counter your abjectly ridiculous ravings. :-)

136 posted on 01/02/2004 7:15:27 PM PST by nopardons
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To: billbears
Whatever did we do without FDR?

Maybe live in freedom the way earlier Americans did. Maybe live in even greater prosperity thann we are experiencing now. And maybe actually defend ourselves.

That's who you neocons look up to now isn't it?

Yep, that's their guy -- Fascist Dictator Roosevelt, President for Life of the USSA.

168 posted on 01/02/2004 10:25:48 PM PST by TBP
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