Michael Peroutka Announces Presidential Campaign (December 15)

Radio Liberty and Others ^ | 1/1/2004 | Adam Valle

[A Navy Vet]

"No conservative President can dismantle all the socialist programs and federal departments with a snap of his/her fingers - get real."

Very true, but I do wish he hadn't thrown his veto pen away.

[The_Eaglet]

TBP, Concerned citizens need to be reminded of these examples of liberalisn, socialism, and usurpations in which the Bush administration and liberal Republicans have been involved.

Thus, I am reposting the specifics because we need to support solutions as they are offered and stop perpatuating the problems through financial or ballot support.

Because you and the other professional Republicans here refuse to pay attention to other things, at least as significant if not more so, that the Republican Party has done in power that could not in any way be described as conservative:

They gave us the largest entitlement program in almost 40 years, a boondoggle estimated at $400 billion, which if previous government estimates are any guide, is low by a factor of about 100.

They enacted a piece of legislation removing our right to criticize any incumbent during the two months before an election.

They enacted a massive Federal education spending bill that blows up Federal spending on education (and take it from me, a Hillsdale guy, Federal spending brings Federal control. That's why my alma mater won't take a dime of Federal money.) And it didn't even include any school choice provisions.

BTW, Federal education spending is patently unconstitutional.

They enacted a massive farm subsidy bill that supposedly was so bloated because it included Federally-covered insurance (where is the Constitutional justification for that?) and then passed a massive insurance bill separately afterwards.

When Red China shot down one of our airplanes and held two of our men captive (briefly), President Bush apologized to the Chinese. They attack us, and we apologize to them. Jeez, that sounds like Democrat policy to me.

They enacted a bill enabling American citizens to be whisked away and held incommunicado for as long as they deem necessary without even the courtesy of a hearing.

They reneged on their promises to make even an effort to abolish the Department of Energy and the Department of Education, and the Chairman of the RNC has made it clear that such ideas are unwelcome in the Republican party.

[The_Eaglet]

"Daily Campaign Finance Reform" (misnomer-debunking) Thread

[The_Eaglet]

I'm not certain I'll be voting for who you're voting for, but I'm certain I'm not voting for Bush.

Gridlock was better than what we have now.

Gridlock is certainly preferable to the unconstitutional spending increases (such as Medicare), expansion programs that fund religious organizations at taxpayer expense, and other violations of the First Amendment like the so-called Campaign Finance Reform Bill which inhibits political speech.

[The_Eaglet]

Peroutka talks to the Washington Times about Bush's re-election bid.

[The_Eaglet]

(corrected link) Peroutka talks to the Washington Times about Bush's re-election bid.

[The_Eaglet]

FYI

[jgrubbs]

Peroutka2004.com is now online!

[The_Eaglet]

It's about time! This site deserves its own thread.

[jgrubbs]

If they issue an official press release announcing the site I will post it.

[rcofdayton]

Amen. I agree that the war on terrorism is important. However, the greatest threat to our liberty is statists in the Republican and Democratic parties.

[Constantine XIII]

You know, these people would be a lot more effective if they didn't go out of the way to make it clear that they are more dedicated-than-thou to everyone on the right. Well, this in addition to the fact that most (but maybe not all) of these 3rd party candidates all have egos way out of proportion to their actual influence. I mean, how many people in the US even know what the Constitution party is, much less their platform or their candidate?
Yeah, we need to get back to the Constitutional way of doing things, but that won't happen if you alienate 99.9% of the electorate right out of the gate.

This in-your-face crap is irritating no matter who does it. Heck, it is actually more irritating to me when a conservative goes out and makes a martyr-kook out of himself than when the lefties go out and do the same. The CP, LP, and so forth are supposed to be on our side, and thus show that they must have at least some amount of intelligence. They really should know better.

Deep breaths, deep breaths...

[jpsb]

I remember those days, FR was an entirely different forum in those days, before the invasion of bushbots.

[Dane]

Gridlock is certainly preferable to the unconstitutional spending increases (such as Medicare)

Oh you mean the gridlock of having Clark, Dean, or Kerry as Commander in Chief.

[The_Eaglet]

Do you think they have an open policy as far as direct quotations? I expect a lot of FR-worthy material to come from this site, and the more access points, the better. :)

[The_Eaglet]

I mean, how many people in the US even know what the Constitution party is, much less their platform or their candidate?

More and more are learning, that's for sure. The audio files linked to the original article on this thread were from live broadcasts, one of which was syndicated coast-to-coast.

[jgrubbs]

The CPD candidate selection prrocess for the Presidential debates state:

The CPD's third criterion requires that the candidate have a level of support of at least 15% (fifteen percent) of the national electorate as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations' most recent publicly-reported results at the time of the determination.

We really need to work to get the word out about the Constitution Party and Michael Peroutka so he can get at least 15% to be included in the debates.

The problem is that I would say more than 50% of the registered voters in America don't really care about government and don't really care who is running as long as they have a "R" or "D" by their name. If people would forget about party loyalty and educate themselves on what matters we would start seeing some changes in Washington. These changes will never take place as long as both the Republicans and Democrats know they have a bunch of uneducated sheep supporting them.

[The_Eaglet]

We really need to work to get the word out about the Constitution Party and Michael Peroutka so he can get at least 15% to be included in the debates.

The problem is that I would say more than 50% of the registered voters in America don't really care about government and don't really care who is running as long as they have a "R" or "D" by their name. If people would forget about party loyalty and educate themselves on what matters we would start seeing some changes in Washington. These changes will never take place as long as both the Republicans and Democrats know they have a bunch of uneducated sheep supporting them.

These are all excellent points. When there are debates to which a Democrat or Republican candidate does not accept an invitation, we need to promote these far and wide even if the left-wing media elite chose to ignore them.

I remember the debates with Howard Phillips and Harry Browne where neither Bob Dole nor Bill Clinton showed. Browne and Phillips made so much sense, and they need to be heard as their perspectives are desperately needed.

[Conservative til I die]

I'm not getting the bitterness towards third party candidates. I don't get it, are you against the candidates in particular, or just the concept of anyone but the Democrats or Republicans being allowed to run?

I'll never get the hard-on some conservatives have for third party candidates who "don't matter anyway and have 10 supporters."

[The_Eaglet]

It is quite noticable before April 15.