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To: JackRyanCIA
When our military can invade and conquer a foreign country the size of California in a matter of weeks, I think the days of any weapon you might harbor in your home being of any use to protect yourself against our government our long gone. If nothing else, the atom bomb put that notion to rest for good. If our government somehow goes bad and has the military on its side, no matter what guns you've got, I'd say you best drop them and get out of dodge.
26 posted on 01/01/2004 5:48:09 PM PST by JediJones (THE AMERICAN SOLDIER)
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To: JediJones
A small % of well armed rabble rousers can give a tyrannical government pause. And the idea is to be smart and not to go out in a blaze of glory.
31 posted on 01/01/2004 5:51:49 PM PST by Stew Padasso (Head down over a saddle.)
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To: JediJones
I think the days of any weapon you might harbor in your home being of any use to protect yourself against our government our long gone.

Again, you would be wrong. Bringing the full might of the United States Military against it's own citizens in a nice clean "us" vs. "them" is a fantasy.

52 posted on 01/01/2004 6:11:13 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: JediJones
Nonsense it is literally impossible to provide air tight security for every govt functionary out to 1000meters & one person with determination and a little skill can change history don't believe me ask Lee Harvey Oswald or James Earl Ray.
56 posted on 01/01/2004 6:15:37 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 "reach out and thump someone " & .50 cal Browning "reach out & CRUSH someone")
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To: JediJones
If we had another civil war our Government, including Military, would break apart onto different sides the same as it did in the first civil war. If our government ever falls it will be from the inside. Most people never thought the Soviet Union would break apart the way it did either(Which was rather quickly), but it did. The United States today is, in ways, much worse on the domestic side than it was 50 years ago. Political Correctness is ruining this country slowly and something must be done about it sooner or later or this country will be history.
60 posted on 01/01/2004 6:19:50 PM PST by Conservative_Nationalist
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To: JediJones
If the government goes bad, I suspect some civilians may have access to armories and the weapons they contain that in many respects match what the military units have.

Nukes are irrelevant. The stuff that can take out soldiers at a distance aren't. Add a few odds and ends that can target aircraft and helicopters and you've got a hell of a resistance. Keep in mind anyone, as long as they meet requirements, can purchase 20mm weapons. A 20mm shell compares to a .50 cal BMG cartridge as a .22 to a .30-06.

Most hunters in this country don't use .223 poodle shooters like the military.
95 posted on 01/01/2004 7:02:00 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: JediJones
If the government goes bad, I suspect some civilians may have access to armories and the weapons they contain that in many respects match what the military units have.

Nukes are irrelevant. The stuff that can take out soldiers at a distance aren't. Add a few odds and ends that can target aircraft and helicopters and you've got a hell of a resistance. Keep in mind anyone, as long as they meet requirements, can purchase 20mm weapons. A 20mm shell compares to a .50 cal BMG cartridge as a .22 to a .30-06.

Most hunters in this country don't use .223 poodle shooters like the military.
102 posted on 01/01/2004 7:07:54 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: JediJones
You don't understand how a resistance would work. The average joe would have no chance against our troopers, but why would he attack them? They would be, given the oportunity, on the side of profreedom rebels.

Soldiers are hard targets. Politicians and government functionaries are not.
156 posted on 01/02/2004 5:10:35 AM PST by Rifleman
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To: JediJones; JackRyanCIA
When our military can invade and conquer a foreign country the size of California in a matter of weeks, I think the days of any weapon you might harbor in your home being of any use to protect yourself against our government our long gone

Taking the territory is the easy part. Holding it against an active resistenace is the problem.

It takes numerical superiority of at least 10 to 1 to quell an insurgency. If the Ba'athists had any real active support in Iraqi now, the situation would be totally different.

164 posted on 01/02/2004 8:03:30 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (History repeats: The first time as tragedy, the second as farce)
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To: JediJones
When our military can invade and conquer a foreign country the size of California in a matter of weeks, I think the days of any weapon you might harbor in your home being of any use to protect yourself against our government our long gone. If nothing else, the atom bomb put that notion to rest for good. If our government somehow goes bad and has the military on its side, no matter what guns you've got, I'd say you best drop them and get out of dodge.

A country where a very small minority, without much popular support, are still giving us a hard time. In spite of many Iraqis having AK-47s (which, I might add, we let them keep!) they still are not as well armed on average than Americans. And that's the way it is supposed to be under the second amendment.

Atom bombs are usefull for defeating/destroying an enemy nation, not so useful for retaining control of a city and even less so the counryside. The thing that can be hell on any sort concetration of fighters is the smart bomb. But even with those you have to know where the targets are at the time you drop it.

175 posted on 01/02/2004 4:03:41 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: JediJones
I think the days of any weapon you might harbor in your home being of any use to protect yourself against our government our long gone

So why does the gov't want to take them away if they don't pose any threat to them?

194 posted on 01/02/2004 8:10:36 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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