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German Ship Seized with Uranium (enrichment)-Making Parts for Libya (for nuclear bomb)
Deutsche Welle ^ | Jan. 1, 2003 | DW staff

Posted on 01/01/2004 2:02:22 PM PST by FairOpinion

Officials have confirmed that a German-flagged ship was carrying parts to build a nuclear bomb from a Persian Gulf country to Libya in October. Investigators seized the shipment before it reached its destination.

Just a few months before Libya declared it would cease its efforts to create weapons of mass destruction, American and British agents seized a German freighter ship loaded with centrifuges and other parts that are used to create enriched uranium, the material needed to build nuclear bombs. The seizure is believed to have influenced Tripoli’s decision to suspend its weapons program last month.

On Wednesday, U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Areli confirmed the discovery following a report in the Wall Street Journal, a financial daily, that the German ship had been en route to Libya but was diverted to an Italian port so that U.S. investigators could seize the content. The newspaper cited officials saying the German company which owns the ship, Hamburg-based BBC Chartering and Logistic, had been extremely cooperative with investigators after they were alerted to intelligence that the ship might be carrying the parts.

"A ship was diverted, based on intelligence, that it was carrying centrifuge parts in early October," Areli said, adding that the seizure demonstrated the value of the U.S.’ Proliferation Security Initiative, which aims to prevent the production of weapons of mass destruction. Sixteen countries, including Germany, are participating in the global initiative.

Thousands of components seized

U.S. and British intelligence agents had learned the ship would be leaving a Persian Gulf state with the parts and an ultimate destination of Libya. German authorities were informed and contact was made with the German shipping company. A U.S. Navy ship then escorted the "BBC China" to port. Investigators found several thousand components on the ship that are used to enrich uranium.

Washington officials said Wednesday they believed the discovery might have helped sway Libya towards agreeing to stop its weapons program and open its doors for international inspections. Following months of secret negotiations with Tripoli, the U.S. and Britain announced on Dec. 19 that Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi had agreed to a deal on inspections.

After the seizures, an unnamed U.S. government official told the paper, Tripoli "saw how much we knew about what they were doing."

With the investigation continuing, U.S. officials have refused to state who sold the centrifuges or where they originated from.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 200310; aluminumtubes; bbcchina; bomb; centrifuge; enrichment; gadhafi; germany; hamburg; iaea; interdiction; libya; nuclear; psi; tripoli; uranium; wmd
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To: FairOpinion
Here's the website of that shipping service:

http://www.bbc-online.de/
21 posted on 01/01/2004 2:38:30 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: the invisib1e hand
The statistics isn´t damned, because Germany is a complete new state. Founded in 1949, the Federal Republic of Germany has stood firmly at the US side, not only because of the Soviet thread, but because of conviction. Germany has the same values like the US: freedom, democracy. It is not going to allow terrorist or dictators to rule the world and to dismantle our free society. Tell me on which security issue the German government disagreed on with the US government since WW2 - except Iraq!
22 posted on 01/01/2004 2:40:31 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
The Iraq war 2003 has been the ONLY security issue the US and Germany disagreed on since WW2

Most of the Germans I've met have been reflexively Marxist and authoritarian. The majority of Germans I've known believe it is the role of the State to dominate, regulate and control nearly every aspect of citizen's life. There are, of course, exceptions. But it was difficult to ignore the widespread sympathy of Germans for the Soviet Union and their continued devotion to thinly veiled Marxism. For example, the Kyoto Protocol, was based on nakedly fraudulent science and was nothing short of an attempt to sabotage America's economy. Given the widespread German hatred of Israel, sympathy for the Palestianians terrorists, and willingness to supply and finance those who wish to murder and terrorize Americans, I'd say "ally" is a bit of a stretch.

23 posted on 01/01/2004 2:42:54 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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To: Prodigal Son
Thanks. So from what I got I conclude that only the ship has a German flag, is owned by a German company - but it can be chartered by someone else. Just the fact that the ship is German doesn´t say that the material for Lybia is German.
24 posted on 01/01/2004 2:43:13 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
Germany has the same values like the US: freedom, democracy

Freedom and democracy are not compatible.

democracy: "a government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meetings or any other form of direct expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude towards property is communistic-negative property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. It results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy."

U.S. Army Training Manual

25 posted on 01/01/2004 2:45:48 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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To: AdamSelene235
You refer to emotions, feelings of minorities in the society only. There is no majority supporting marxism, there is no majority supporting terrorism, there is no majority hating Israel, there is no majority hating the US! But there is a government that never actively works against America, and in many cases provides support for our "big brother", who has given us so much help during the last decades.
26 posted on 01/01/2004 2:46:38 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: the invisib1e hand
we've agreed on everything except the two largest threats to the United States and the world at large in the 20th century?

Iraq? LOL, please. A big threat to the region yes. The biggest threat to the world? Not even close. Try Pakistan or Iran or North Korea or China. Pakistan is soon going to be an al Qaeda nuclear nation. North Korea already has nukes and is run by someone who is certifiably insane. Iran is working on a nuke program and they will have their reactor online soon without intervention. China is a threat to Tawain and the entire SE Asia region and has nukes capable of hitting our west coast.

I would put any one of those nations higher on the list than Iraq was before March. Iraq was more strategically important in my opinion. Prime real estate from which to control the entire region. Not very much of a military threat though.

27 posted on 01/01/2004 2:46:50 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: FairOpinion
If we wanted to be mean about it we could have just dropped a hydrogen bomb on Berlin and told the Krauts we'd eliminated the middle man...
28 posted on 01/01/2004 2:47:42 PM PST by greenwolf
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To: AdamSelene235
Now you come up with this silly discussion "Republic vs democracy". Believe it or not, we´re democratic Republics - and our citizens are free. That´s what unites us, despite differences.
29 posted on 01/01/2004 2:47:50 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Prodigal Son; The Invisible Hand
I gues the inv. hand referred to WW1 and WW2. But I very much doubt that WW1 and 2 were threats to the US, and in particular "big threats". The biggest threat to the US was the Soviet Union.
30 posted on 01/01/2004 2:49:16 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: FairOpinion
Nice re-write of facts recovered by the Wall Street Journal 8 days ago.
31 posted on 01/01/2004 2:50:27 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Prodigal Son
Iraq by itself? Not an issue. Iraq as a facilitator of terrorist activity in concert with other entities, including some on your list? A pest to be dealt with. A couple of notable nations were not interested in joining us in dealing with the pests, beginning with Iraq. One of those nations was Germany. Hope this clears up your misconceptions about my point.
32 posted on 01/01/2004 2:50:42 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: AdamSelene235
The majority of Germans I've known believe it is the role of the State to dominate, regulate and control nearly every aspect of citizen's life.

Oddly enough, I have the opposite experience.

Given the widespread German hatred of Israel

LOL. It must've been a pretty f--ked up part of Germany you lived in to have gotten these impressions. Perhaps you were in the former East? It would be understandable if you got these sorts of impressions there but be advised, the former East is not representative of most of Germany at all.

You want to know a nation that is reflexively anti-Israel? Try the UK.

33 posted on 01/01/2004 2:51:27 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: the invisib1e hand
Oh, sure, they were involved in the facilitation of terrorism but even so they were not the biggest threat to world security. I think this was hyperbole on your part. As it turned out, the Taliban run Afghanistan was a bigger threat to US security.
34 posted on 01/01/2004 2:53:17 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Michael81Dus
fuggedabout WW1 for now...Nazizm was certainly no threat to anyone, was it?

I think there must be something in the water over there, bud. And I'm afraid I leave this debate with an even sadder impression of the Zeitgeist in your homeland. If your arguments are the best that can be aroused over there in support of the US, OMG....

end of discussion.

35 posted on 01/01/2004 2:54:21 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Michael81Dus
There is no majority supporting marxism,

In 2001, German government expenditures equaled 45.9 percent of GDP. Sounds Marxist to me.

there is no majority supporting terrorism, there is no majority hating Israel,

Well, the majority supports the United Nations, an organization whose primary goal is promotion of Global Socialism and the destruction of the United States and Israel by any available means possible whether it be incompetence, collaboration with tyrants like Saddam, economic sabotage, etc.

there is no majority hating the US

How "Bowling for Columbine" selling over there these days?

But there is a government that never actively works against America,

Gerhard Schroder pretty much made anti-Americanism the centerpiece of his campaign.

36 posted on 01/01/2004 2:55:00 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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To: FairOpinion
I don't think I've ever heard this conspiracy theory spouted before but I bet a lot of people have thought about it. It goes like this... The French, Germans and the Russians have conspired together to diminish the power of the United States though the use of terrorism, i.e. through surrogates.

The reason, not necessarily to over-through the US and supplant it with anther form of government, but to draw down the efficacy of America's power in the world, thereby bringing their stock up a bit as world powers. Why whirled human nature be any different in todays world than at any other time in history.
Why, I'll be OBL is in Russia right now not Iran. Though it would be easy enough to shuttle him around from Russia and Iran and back.
37 posted on 01/01/2004 2:55:18 PM PST by Godfollow
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To: Prodigal Son
As it turned out, the Taliban run Afghanistan was a bigger threat to US security.

You're letting national boundaries confuse the issue. They are all connected ideaoligally; united in their disdain for everything our Constitution esteems.

I think the President said it best: "We will make no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them."

38 posted on 01/01/2004 2:57:10 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Pretty cool. You haven´t answered my points but you dictate the end of discussion. Great style. Let me tell you that Germanys action in WW2 were a threat to Europe - but never to the US. Oh sure I´ve heard of rumors that Hitler wanted to invade the US, but they were lies from the allied propaganda. Hitler never was capable of invading the US, nor had he thought of it.
39 posted on 01/01/2004 2:57:23 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: AdamSelene235
Well, the majority supports the United Nations,

The last time I looked, a majority of Americans supported the UN as well. What's the point to be made there?

How "Bowling for Columbine" selling over there these days?

I'm really, really, really glad you brought that up.

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/bestseller/

Americans really really like Michael Moore. He's only in the last couple of weeks come down from the number one spot. He's been on the bestseller list for ages in the States. If his booksales in Germany demonstrate something, what does it also demonstrate about our own country?

40 posted on 01/01/2004 3:00:35 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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