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A Plan to Save American Manufacturing
TradeAlert.org ^ | Wednesday, December 31, 2003 | Kevin L. Kearns, Alan Tonelson, and William Hawkins

Posted on 01/01/2004 9:04:11 AM PST by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

Although warnings about the crisis engulfing American manufacturing have been intensifying for months, the sector´s woes continue to be significantly underestimated – certainly by official Washington and even by many manufacturers themselves.  In fact, despite the current boost in growth fueled by deficit spending, tax cuts, mortgage re-financings, and other one-time stimuli, the decline of American manufacturing is fast nearing the point of irreversibility – at least from the standpoint of restoring a critical mass of industries producing in the United States to world leadership.

The nation, in short, faces a manufacturing emergency. Unless drastic measures are taken quickly, this emergency will turn the United States into a second-class manufacturing power, greatly diminishing its own future economic prospects. Further, national security and flexibility in foreign affairs will be severely compromised.  Finally, the international imbalances being created by the manufacturing crisis will likely push the world into a major dollar crisis and could cause a protracted depression.

In part, the manufacturing crisis reflects the economy´s latest cyclical downturn and the deflating of the bubble of the 1990s.  Likewise, the manufacturing employment portion of the crisis stems in part from the increases in productivity in recent years.  But neither of these factors sufficiently explains the root cause of manufacturing´s current troubles, which are the worst by many measures since the end of World War II, and that is the cumulative and continuing effects of two decades of misguided, ill-advised, and weak-willed U.S. trade and globalization policies.

During this period, Washington has consistently failed to open foreign consumption markets adequately to U.S. producers – despite years of promises and the fanfare that greeted each new trade agreement.  In addition, the American government has failed miserably to combat predatory foreign trade practices aimed at undermining U.S. producers in their home market.  Perversely, Washington has responded to these failures by encouraging U.S. manufacturers to supply their home market from low-cost third world production platforms like Mexico and China. And most U.S. multinational corporations, and indeed some of their smaller suppliers, have responded with enthusiasm.

NO TIME TO LOSE

The most serious global macroeconomic dangers stemming from the continued flight of American manufacturing overseas have to date been avoided and may be postponed still further by continued financial policy legerdemain – though the faster America´s international debts keep rising, the more difficult the challenge of correcting the imbalances. But regardless of when the crunch actually comes, the weakening of domestic manufacturing is already undermining the material foundations of American national success.

The prolonged wage slump triggered by the overseas migration of America´s best-paying jobs on average has been rippling through the U.S. economy and American society for at least two decades.  The loss of these important jobs represents a shrinking of the employment base needed for a middle-class standard of living, stable families, and the local and state tax revenues necessary for a first-world level of responsibly financed public infrastructure and social services. Consequently, Americans find increasingly at risk their hard-won 20th century gains in access to quality education, health care, and retirement security (whether paid for by a solvent public sector or a sufficiently broad-based and profitable private sector).

In addition, the manufacturing crisis raises serious questions about the U.S. economy´s ability to maintain a high-tech, world-leading military without worrisome dependence on foreign products and technologies.  Although it is true that defense-related imports come overwhelmingly from long-time allies or traditionally friendly countries, it is just as true that they are growing rapidly at a time when major disagreements increasingly mark the relationships between the United States and these countries.

Further, the massive loss of tax revenue – both corporate and personal – directly attributable to a disappearing industrial base will undoubtedly constrain America´s ability to sustain military operations in both peacetime and wartime at levels that U.S. policymakers have come to take for granted.  Thus the country faces a future in which the ability to project power and thereby affect events and outcomes the world over will be much more limited than anytime in the last century and a quarter.

Most worrisome, the decline of American manufacturing is quickly feeding on itself and gaining unstoppable momentum. Washington´s continuing failure to secure equitable terms of trade forces more and more U.S. firms to compensate by outsourcing.  These moves create powerful pressure for growing numbers of the remaining hold-out companies to follow suit.

The migration of prime contractors overseas inexorably pulls much of their supply chains with them. The export of blue-collar production work leads to the export of white-collar manufacturing-related work, as companies seek the advantages of locating researchers and designers near the factories they service.  In fact, there is a continuous feed-back loop between R&D efforts and the factory floor, with the two functions, R&D and production, operating in tandem.  And as is well documented, R&D and other technology work often produce a clustering effect, which draws labs and similar facilities from other industries in search of new synergies. The notion that the United States will retain high-end design functions while letting production migrate overseas is wishful thinking.  Without major globalization policy changes, this vicious cycle of manufacturing flight cannot be turned into a virtuous cycle of manufacturing resurgence.

LESSONS OF THE RECENT PAST

The following action plan for saving and reviving U.S. industry incorporates recent policy lessons that Americans simply can no longer afford to ignore.

First, although America´s regulatory and tax systems have unnecessarily raised domestic business costs in many instances, the manufacturing crisis springs from far deeper roots. No regulatory, health care, or tax reform schemes that would produce acceptable economic, social, or political results can overcome the damage being done to American manufacturing by today´s globalization policy failures. Improved industrial competitiveness cannot and should not be based on gutting the basics of a just, humane, and inclusive society. Fundamentally new globalization policies are the sine qua non for saving and reviving American manufacturing.

Second, the United States will always have more control over its own actions than over the actions of other countries. Therefore, the keys to reversing American manufacturing´s decline lie neither in more market-opening trade agreements nor in efforts to micro-manage economic and social conditions overseas. Despite decades of so-called free trade agreements, too many foreign markets still remain too closed to U.S. exports. The main reason: Most of the world´s countries view trade as a zero sum game, with a piece of the American domestic market as the prize.  The handful of economies wealthy enough to consume American-made goods can erect new trade barriers faster than U.S. negotiators can even identify them. The U.S. government, moreover, has too much trouble enforcing its own laws and regulations here at home to imagine that enforcing foreign laws and regulations, even those imposed by future trade agreements, will be successful.

Instead, to achieve the necessary results, the United States must focus on managing its own behavior and controlling access to its own market, unilaterally conditioning that access ona strategic analysis of its own national needs and on acceptable practices by its trade partners. In addition, the United States must rely mainly on its own power and leverage to achieve satisfactory terms of trade.  As the record unmistakably shows, one-country-one-vote international organizations like the World Trade Organization too readily turn into mechanisms for undermining American sovereignty, diluting American power, and maintaining global economic free-riding.

Finally, Washington must recognize that simply promoting economic growth and higher incomes abroad will not alone cure U.S. manufacturing´s ills and rebalance America´s trade accounts. Most countries refuse to trust their economic fates to market forces or refuse to permit higher domestic growth to draw in proportionately higher volumes of imports. In short, too little commerce around the world is free enough to allow potential future growth to serve as a U.S. trade and manufacturing cure-all.

The following U.S. Business and Industry Council manufacturing blueprint emphasizes short-term emergency measures for reversing domestic manufacturing´s decline and laying the foundation for its revival. But it also includes longer-term proposals for ensuring that U.S. trade and globalization policies do not revert to the practices that have produced today´s crisis.

EMERGENCY MEASURES

1. The president must declare that the United States faces a manufacturing, R&D, and outsourcing emergency no less threatening to America´s long-term future than even the Great Depression. He must also make clear that the crisis stems mainly from the manipulation of world trading system by mercantilist countries and to the encouragement of offshoring by U.S. trade policy.

2. The president should create an Apollo Program-type task force in the federal government to oversee Washington´s response to the manufacturing crisis. Its mission should be to restore domestic U.S. manufacturing to global preeminence and to boost domestic manufacturing employment and wages.  The program should involve all agencies of U.S. government.

3. Federal R&D spending should be tripled and Washington should offer matching grants to industry.  Special emphasis should be placed on tasking the national labs with helping to develop commercially viable, high-tech products to be manufactured in the United States.

4. The U.S. trade deficit should be quickly and dramatically reduced by imposing a “variable trade equalization tariff” on imports from countries running a trade surplus ten percent or greater of total bilateral trade.  These tariffs should be increased each year until bilateral surpluses fall below the threshold level, at which time they would be removed. Tariffs should be imposed on U.S. trading partners as soon as surpluses reach the 10 percent threshold.

The United States should offer a partial exemption for the world´s poorest countries, but only if concrete, measurable trade breaks from the other OECD countries follow suit and only if the developing country seeking the exemption demonstrates a commitment to democracy and the economic advancement of all its people.  Exemptions are not intended to enrich corrupt, dictatorial elites.

In addition, exceptions would be made for energy imports and other commodities that are not found in the United States and for which no acceptable substitutes exist.

5. Companies manufacturing or assembling in the United States should be barred from treating service work performed overseas as a deductible business expense.  Private companies that outsource overseas the processing of sensitive records, such as medical and financial records, must ensure that their subcontractors meet U.S. privacy standards or face stiff fines.  

6.. Washington should declare a moratorium on all current and future free trade talks pending development of new national trade strategy. The United States government clearly has lost the ability to negotiate trade agreements that enrich the great majority of Americans and strengthen the domestic manufacturing base on net. U.S. leaders should not engage in trade negotiations until this ability is regained.

To develop a fundamentally new national trade strategy, the president and Congress should appoint a National Trade Strategy Commission that includes representatives of business plus civil society groups, such as labor unions and environmental groups. The business representatives on the Commission should be dominated by companies and industries that produce the great majority of their product and value in the United States. The Commission should also include representatives of the nation´s science and technology and national security communities.

7. Washington should declare a moratorium on U.S. compliance with WTO panel decisions pending dramatic reform of organization to reflect America´s position in world economy. The UN Security Council veto and the IMF/World Bank weighted voting systems are possible models of international organization structures appropriate to America´s geopolitical and economic superpower status. If appropriate reform is not completed by the end of 2005, the United States should declare its intention to withdraw from the organization as soon as legally permissible.

8. Washington should declare a moratorium on U.S. compliance with NAFTA panel decisions pending reform of NAFTA´s dispute-resolution process to reflect U.S. predominance in the North American economy. In addition, NAFTA´s rules of origin and external tariffs should be revised to offer meaningful trade preferences to goods with much higher levels of North American content.

9. The U.S. government should resolve the Foreign Sales Corporation tax dispute with the European Union and the World Trade Organization by replacing the current FSC tax incentive with a major tax break for any company, either American or foreign-owned, that performs genuine manufacturing activity in the United States.  Qualification for the tax break would require detailed certification that true manufacturing is occurring in the United States.

10. The United States should expedite procedures for anti-dumping and countervailing duty suits. Threshholds for standing, actionability, and remedies should all be eased. In addition, remedies should be extended to companies up and downstream from immediately affected industries to ensure protection for suppliers and consumers, and prevent foreign economic interests from using divide and conquer tactics against domestic industries.

11. The current steel tariffs should be expanded to cover industries using significant quantities of U.S.-made steel.  Further, the option of extending the tariffs beyond the original three-year deadline should be left open in order to determine conclusively that foreign steel subsidization and dumping have ceased.

12. A stiff tariff should be imposed on countries determined by the U.S. government to be manipulating their currencies for trade advantage. In light of the Treasury Department´s equivocation on the currency policies of Asian mercantilist nations, the definition of currency manipulation that now exists must be broadened.  A strong dollar remains in the long-term interests of the U.S. economy, but foreign governments must not be able to distort trade flows to the advantage of their companies by giving them artificial cost advantages.    

13. The defense industry must be treated by the federal government in a fundamentally different way from the commercial sector.  It exists solely to serve the national interest and national security, and must be structured and managed accordingly.  Therefore, a 65 percent U.S. content requirement should be imposed on all military procurement, rising to 80 percent in five years and 95 percent in ten years.  This requirement should immediately cover the procurement of all goods and services for domestic military facilities and operations, and to the fullest extent possible cover foreign bases as well.  Presidential waiver authority should be sharply limited, especially for countries that have records as problem traders or that demand offsets for purchases of American weapons systems.

14. Public money taken from the domestic economy by taxes or borrowing should be returned to the domestic economic economy by the procurement of American-produced goods and services.  Procuring government services domestically is also necessary to ensure the continued privacy and security of the financial and health records of all Americans.  Thus a 50 percent U.S.-content requirement should be imposed on all non-military federal procurement, rising to 80 percent in five years and 95 percent in ten years. Presidential waiver authority should be sharply limited. This requirement should immediately cover the procurement of all services for domestic facilities and programs.

15. The scheduled abolition of the Multi-Fiber Arrangement governing world trade in textile and apparel should be suspended indefinitely, pending a study of the effects of the MFA's abolition on domestic and third-world producers in these industries.

16. Stiff tariffs should be levied on countries that impose offset requirements on U.S. defense manufacturers.

17. The president should declare a moratorium on foreign acquisitions of U.S. defense-related companies pending completion of comprehensive study of the status of the roughly 1,500 such companies acquired since 1988 under the current policy framework and government screening system.

18. Strict, detailed country-of-origin labeling should be required on all food and agricultural imports.

19. Legal immigration into the United States should be limited to 500,000 annually. Enforcement measures to halt illegal immigration should be dramatically increased, including significant and sustained increases in the budgets of those federal agencies responsible for enforcing immigration laws.  

Immigration at today´s levels – both legal and illegal – can only serve to depress wages for American workers by artificially inflating the supply of labor. Moreover, the most likely victims of such massive immigration flows are the recent arrivals themselves, who are forced to compete directly for jobs with the unending flow of newcomers arriving right after them.

The H-1B visa program for technology workers should be abolished.  A new federal commission comprised both of U.S. technology worker interests and tech industry interests should conduct a study to determine labor needs in technology industries and how they should be met.

LONGER-TERM MEASURES

1. Washington must insist that any future trade agreements be strictly reciprocal and strongly enforceable by the U.S. government, unilaterally if necessary.

2. Any future U.S. trade agreements must include provisions penalizing signatories for currency manipulation.  IN fact, currency manipulation can be used to defeat or offset the effects of reducing or eliminating trade barriers.  

3. The president should launch a major diplomatic campaign to press other OECD countries to increase third world imports, enforceable unilaterally by tariffs on the products of any non-cooperating OECD countries. Under-importing of third-world products by the European Union and Japan in particular has greatly increased the pressure on the U.S. market to absorb third-world production. Greater burden sharing in this vital sphere is urgently needed.

Because the overriding interest of U.S. trade policy is to advance the economic interests of the great majority on the American people and the long-term security and prosperity of the United States, Americans should feel no special obligation to import goods or services from third-world, or indeed any other, countries.  Such imports are especially unacceptable if they sacrifice the interests of American workers and domestic companies.  But a campaign to get Europe and Japan to do more is needed for three reasons:

  1. to counter perceptions that U.S. protectionism is the greatest current barrier to third world economic development;
  2. to highlight America´s record in promoting this development; and
  3. to call attention to the poor importing records of the other main OECD countries.

4. The United States should focus any new trade agreements on high-income countries capable of serving as final consumers of U.S. exports. Washington´s recent focus on third world countries capable of serving only as re-export platforms has been a substantial contributor to today´s current trade deficits.  In particular, the United States should seek a free trade agreement with Europe that excludes agriculture.  Washington should also take stronger measures to open Japanese and Korean markets, including unilateral tariffs if necessary.

5. The president should remove responsibility for monitoring and enforcing trade agreements from the office of the U.S. Trade Representative and place it in the Department of Commerce. As the lead agency for negotiating new trade agreements, the USTR´s office has every incentive to soft-pedal the deficiencies in both the structure and functioning of these agreements. Dividing these responsibilities would eliminate a major policy-making conflict of interest.  

6. Congress should enact strict foreign lobbying reform covering all federal officials, including lifetime bans on working for foreign interests for former senior Executive and Legislative branch officials.

7. The Commerce and Defense Departments should be designated as co-chairs of the inter-agency Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which reviews all proposed foreign acquisitions of U.S. defense-related companies. Exon-Florio filings  must be made mandatory, and the threshold for investigation lowered.  With the Treasury Department chairing this panel for its decade-and-a-half of existence, national security concerns have not been adequately addressed in CFIUS´s decisions, which generally reflect only Treasury´s desire to see surplus dollars in foreign hands repatriated effortlessly.

8. The president should commission immediate reports – written by special Commercial Action Teams composed mainly of industry representatives and some government officials – on foreign subsidies existing outside the steel industry and implement tariffs to offset them. Washington should first offer to negotiate the abolition of such subsidies, but it must insist on results that are achieved quickly, as well as completely verifiable and enforceable by the U.S. government.

9. The federal government must publish more complete and timely foreign trade and investment data. This data should include detailed information on the importing, sourcing, and employment trends of all multinational companies and in fact all companies that do business in the United States.  The provision of the data to the appropriate government agencies must be made mandatory.

10. The president should launch a comprehensive review of all U.S. defense alliances to determine which remain relevant to 21st century U.S. interests.  The president should explicitly state that foreign policy and defense considerations will no longer automatically trump the economic interests of the United States and the American people.

STRONG – BUT ESSENTIAL – MEDICINE

No one should assume that implementing this manufacturing revival plan will be pain-free. All economic adjustments and transitions exact costs as well as create benefits.  Those necessary to improve the long-run fundamentals of American manufacturing and strengthen the foundations of the U.S. and world economies as a whole will be that much more difficult because of the national and global economic excesses that were fostered since the completion of the “Tokyo Round” of international trade talks, but especially during the 1990s.

Specifically, some temporary slowdown in U.S. and global growth rates seems unavoidable. And thanks to the power of recklessly expanded international trade and investment, pushed unceasingly by economic ideologues and short-sighted multinational companies, achieving this slowdown will require serious restrictions on trade and investment flows.

Yet the only alternatives proposed to date are policies that are already proven failures, or that are surrenders to wishful thinking. Moreover, these responses can only postpone the day of reckoning, not prevent it. And just as permitting a disease to fester usually ensures that the needed treatment will be that much stronger, more painful, and less certain to work, permitting the manufacturing crisis to fester and inflating the global economic bubble further will only increase, not decrease the economic dangers facing America and the world.

The implementation of restorative measurers cannot be left to the good sense of Washington policymakers and elected officials.  As a group, they have demonstrated convincingly time and again that they do not grasp the magnitude of the problems they have created and that they are bereft of comprehensive solutions.  Instead, they prefer cosmetic changes, designed to relieve political pressure and ensure reelection.

If the necessary policy reorientation is to be accomplished, the impetus must come from the remaining domestic manufacturers, their employees, their communities, and local and state governments, which are experiencing first-hand the budget crises caused in large part by globalization policies – whether the movement of plants overseas, company bankruptcies due to unfair foreign practices, high-tech and other services outsourcing, uncontrolled immigration with the resulting disproportionate consumption of social services, etc.  In short, grass roots efforts must reach critical mass to force Washington to change two generations of misguided policies.

If any political leaders or economic experts know how to solve the manufacturing and trade crises without the significant trade restrictions featured in our action plan, the U.S. Business and Industry Council would welcome their ideas with open arms. But we would also be wondering what they´ve been waiting for.  The time for comprehensive action to save American manufacturing has long since passed. Very soon there will be little left to save.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: freetrade; globalism; immigration; manufacturing; nationaldebt; nationalsecurity; sovereignty; technology; thebusheconomy; trade; tradedeficit
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To: superloser
Ah, the old personal attack when one doesn't have an argument. How juvenile and unbecoming for a so-called Conservative.

That is what I've seen coming from those in your situation. It is sad. Conservatives are wimpy. They get up. lick their wounds and try something else. Liberals will belly ache for the rest of their life and never take personal responsibility.

So, your answer to the hundreds of thousands of affected factory workers and the collateral job losses from the factory closures in the service sector is the same as Marie Antionette's. "Go eat cake" -- even when it is Government policy which is facilitating the closures.

My answer is find another way to make a living! Government has NOTHING to do with moving mfg. jobs to a country that will do it for less. It's strictly business. You appear to think that keeping those jobs here and charging ten or twenty times as much is the route to take. LOL! No one should be paid more than a job is worth and that is what you are suggesting. You are also belitteling folks by suggesting that mfg, for instance is the ONLY job they can do. How insulting and demeaning.

"Go eat cake" doesn't work in this day and age in an election season. The unemployed vote RAT and scream for more Government programs and interventions. That's just how it works. You *should* know this.

Your "go eat cake" stuff must be home grown misguided wisdom or something ... It is YOU who is purposing more government to REQUIRE jobs for those who won't do soemthing else through laws. It's the typical liberal mentality. In real life it doesn't work and it won't work now either.

Let's just hope there aren't too many hacked off people scrounging around for cake -- we don't want to see Dean win.

These folks will vote for Dean. He wants government to be the answer from womb to tomb. The truth is those with brains and don't mind using them will find a way. The cream always rises to the top. There will always be losers as well ... .
361 posted on 01/03/2004 7:30:36 PM PST by nmh
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To: Erik Latranyi
...I would prefer to look at JOBS that are protected --- teachers, professors, etc. Tenure is a form of protection that leads to lower standards and work ethics.

I'm planning on sending my kids overseas for college. Why not? Given the incredible increases in tuition and the crappy PC end result.

Much has been made of what Walter Williams would say if he had to work in an business that had to compete with the rest of the world. We will all find out very soon. I predict sending your little ones any place in the world will be common place in 10-15 years.

362 posted on 01/03/2004 7:51:21 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: ninenot
First off, I did NOT state that "engineering jobs were gone forever...", it was another poster who is an engineer.

First off, I'm sorry to have lumped you into the saying, but I did say "he (or someone) said..." so cut me a little slack. I was on the way out the door when I wrote that and didn't have time to look up the exact culprit.

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While tax and reg numbers have risen significantly, so has the cost of living in the USA--partly due to tax/reg...

I contend that it is SOLELY due to taxes and regs that the cost of living has risen as much as it has. And taxes go up because the Liberals (of both parties) do so much social engineering (i.e. buying votes) that they "HAVE" to raise taxes to pay for it. The Liberals raise taxes and impose regulations and then point the finger of blame at the companies for doing things to stay competitive (i.e. laying people off, cutting benefits, moving plants overseas, etc.) While they and the lamestream media make themselves look like heroes.

You're right about the Gold Standard, but I believe our problems in the area of exportation of jobs and a growing deficit (debt) started long before that but it was pretty much linear (opinion alert!). After Nixon took us of the standard, we started on an exponential climb (at least in terms of the National Debt).

-----Further, the USA's growth opportunities were enhanced by trade agreements which were made for the BENEFIT of the USA, not for the benefit of the Rest of the World.

Absolutely. But if we hadn't gone down the road of socialism resulting in super high taxes and super strict regulations, we wouldn't have even needed those agreements. They were simply patches to a problem we created for ourselves. And Government patches never solve anything.

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As to Walt Williams... ...Wonder how he would do in the real world?

Hey lay of my boy Walt...just kidding. I wonder that too, but most of us don't work in the real world. If you work for someone else, you really aren't in the real world. I've been toying with getting out into the "real world" and starting my own consulting business. I may have to if I'm laid off again. The "real world" can be pretty scary.
363 posted on 01/03/2004 8:02:36 PM PST by gooleyman
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To: Erik Latranyi
We beat Japan in the economic war and we will beat China as well --- providing we do not protect industries that should be allowed to die.

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Spoken like a high school pom pon girl with no interest in, oe capacity for, substance.

364 posted on 01/03/2004 8:10:14 PM PST by RLK
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To: XBob
Willie Green, you are missing a lot of good posts, or are you just lurking for the time being.

I'm not participating as frequently as usual due to an illness in the family.

365 posted on 01/03/2004 9:19:45 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Erik Latranyi
There are a number of unintended consequences here. "Free" trade is anything but free. The associated unexpected costs, to me, at least, far outweigh any benefits.

To wit, a short list for free traders to consider, given *today's* political climate, a short fallout list:

If you favor free trade, you accept increased agricultural subsidies.

If you favor free trade, you accept increased illegal immigration and the associated costs thereof.

If you favor free trade, you accept increased reliance on welfare programs as factories shut down and people increase usage of the social safety net and budget deficits as well.

If you favor free trade, you accept a trade deficit.

If you favor free trade, you accept a weakened currency.

If you favor free trade, you accept lower wages for all. So much for "we're all gonna get rich off of this"...

If you favor free trade, you accept increased crime, at least in the short term.

If you favor free trade, you accept being reliant on countries other than your own.

If you favor free trade, you accept the fact that the US Government and your tax dollars are going to subsidize offshoring (via the Import/Export bank and other 'programs') -- therefore your tax dollars indirectly go toward putting Americans out of work.

I do not accept any of these. From a decade of NAFTA, we can see that Mexico reneged on its promises. They promised to export tomatoes, not tomato pickers. The reverse, as we can see, has become the case.

Because I am unwilling to accept the fallout from "free trade" -- I cannot accept "free trade." It is incompatible with my desire to decrease the size of Government and make people more self-reliant so that programs can be eliminated.
366 posted on 01/03/2004 9:55:44 PM PST by superloser
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To: Willie Green
365 - "I'm not participating as frequently as usual due to an illness in the family"

sorry to hear that. hope everything works out well for youall.
367 posted on 01/03/2004 10:35:59 PM PST by XBob
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To: nmh
That is what I've seen coming from those in your situation. It is sad.

Sorry, bub, I don't resort to personal attacks. Sniping doesn't go well in a debate.

Government has NOTHING to do with moving mfg. jobs to a country that will do it for less. It's strictly business. You appear to think that keeping those jobs here and charging ten or twenty times as much is the route to take. LOL! No one should be paid more than a job is worth and that is what you are suggesting. You are also belitteling folks by suggesting that mfg, for instance is the ONLY job they can do. How insulting and demeaning.

Sorry, but the Government IS subsidizing outsourcing and offshoring through the Import/Export bank and other programs designed to facilitate overseas investment. The insulting and demeaning part about it is that the American Taxpayer is financing his own unemployment. Those are the facts. If you have others, please post them.

Your "go eat cake" stuff must be home grown misguided wisdom or something ...

Actually, its a classical quote (updated for this argument) from the French Revolution. Of course, we all know how Marie Antionette ended up, right?

It is YOU who is purposing more government to REQUIRE jobs for those who won't do soemthing else through laws. It's the typical liberal mentality. In real life it doesn't work and it won't work now either.

I've said no such thing; that's a fabrication. Go back and re-read. I advocate *tariffs* which are a 100% Constitutional solution. If going straight to the US Constitution is "liberal" then we are all liberals here by that argument. Tariffs even out the differences in economies. Reducing Government interference domestically is the other side of the equation. The only thing Government should be doing is facilitating economic development by staying out of the market and permitting domestic industries some breathing room by applying either appropriate revenue tariffs to permit tax reductions -or- use revenue from tariffs to fund compliance if they insist on silly regulations. Liberal argument? Hardly. 200-year old argument. If anything, its reactionary and straight from the GOP platforms of the 1800s..

Add to that the fact that manufacturing has historically been the key for immigrants and other low-educated folk to work their way into the middle class. Remove that and the consequence is a demand for MORE Government. Why not head that off before it starts unless you accept more Government as a consequence?

These folks will vote for Dean. He wants government to be the answer from womb to tomb. The truth is those with brains and don't mind using them will find a way. The cream always rises to the top. There will always be losers as well ...

Why not give the people who want Dean an alternative? Facilitate them making it on their own so they don't need to ask for a Government handout? Give them a little boost by taxing the competition from overseas so that domestic industry can take a breather and grow?

Of course, if we sit back and do nothing, we'll get more calls for more Government. Personally, as I have said before, I want to head that off before they get their chance to put their man in charge. "The cream" as you put it, will be taxed out of existance if the Deanies get their way. Why would anyone want to afford them the opportunity to do that? It makes no sense to give the opportunity.

368 posted on 01/03/2004 10:40:27 PM PST by superloser
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To: superloser; All
366 - great - too many good points to repeat
369 posted on 01/03/2004 10:40:55 PM PST by XBob
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To: Erik Latranyi; A. Pole; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Cacophonous; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; ...
I most strongly believe in protectionism, especially when you are dealing with pure competition. However, for starters, this is nothing related to pure competition.

What was once American companies (short-term CEOs with short-term mentality and massive amount of ego and selfish greed)shipping off jobs to a low cost countries is not a responsible reaction to global competition. Canabalizing your own company so that you can remain as the grand poohba and collect an outrageous and unearned salary is totally unethical and self-serving. These CEOs are supposed to be hired as great managers, leaders and strategists to create the best value for all of their stakeholders over the long haul, even though many CEOs think that their shareholders are the only stakeholders that count (because they are the only ones that have the opportunity to directly vote for them and their crew [directors]). But even so, killing the long-term potential earning power of your company does not even satisfy the stockholders. All that it satisfies is the CEO mismanaging the company down the drain. Short-term profits rise while sales is not significantly negatively impacted for a while. The CEO tounts himself as a great manager and cost saver while R&D is cut, domestic production is cut, American workers' jobs are cut, unemployment is increased, domestic social expenses are increased to help support the laid off workers, domestic tax revenue is decreased, the average American's standard of living decreases while prices of goods purchased are not decreased [even to share a portion of the cost savings with the ultimate consumers]. A global economy has just become an excuse to ship production offshore without any significant effort at innovation in production and increasing the efficency of production...And speaking of cost savings, the CEOs don't share in their own cost savings, they don;t take a cut in direct pay or even transferring immediate pay for a longer term payoff such as stock options. Instead, the CEOs are rewarded for coming in good with the latest figures with stock options, they are just icing to the cake rather than an incentive to build long-term value in these companies. The CEOs are only out to make themselves look good for as long as they can so they can collect their excessive salaries for as long as possible. Most don't last long anywhere because they are not actually building value into their companies...they are just keeping their image and position as long as possible before the stockholders toss them out because they are not actually producing which is typically after two or three years. After all, a couple years with a multi-million dollar salary with still produce a nice retirement from that point. Greedy CEOs do not make your standard "free market"...their actions are motivated by their greed. This is not free competition.

There always was and always will be global competition for business. A good manager is always looking to improve production and save costs. A good strategist develops a mission and goal for a company. A good leader puts it all together, explains how it is to be done, makes the decisions necessary, and shows how it is going to happen.

A good strategist knows that who do not sacrifice your long-term goals in order to obtain short-term profits. The United States is the largest consumer of products in the world. You can not undercut the earning power of the American employee without ultimately affecting the sales of a product in the U.S. in the long-run. It has been shown time and again that moving production out of the U.S. in order to save money does not recreate a significant spending on that product in its new country of manufacture. For example, TVs, radios, and other electronics...when manufacturing is moved to Mexico (i.e., RCA from Indiana and the midwest), the Mexicans now making the items overall did not buy them while those in the U.S. who used to make them, could not afford to buy them anymore. Even when production costs are decreased by moving them off-shore, the price of the item is not cut, just the pressure to increase the price is slowed [but not stopped].

A good company leader will invest in production and product research and development. They will want to come out with new features and products that consumer will WANT to buy. They will improve production so that they can spend more on R&D while maintaining the quality of the product. A good company leader will seek to make products that are demanded by consumers, not just cheap products … because if you are making a cheap product, everybody else can make it cheaper, if they try. However, if you sacrifice quality beyond the tolerance of the consumer, your product will not be purchased more than the once that the consumer bought and saw that it was not worth buying another, and if it is too cheap it is quite likely to be returned as it is probably too defective to be used successfully for what it was intended. A good company leader will seek to produce a product worth buying, and thus creating genuine competition. Without good company leaders, there is no true open competition, just a race to the bottom.

I do not lament the loss of manufacturing jobs, in fact, the loss of manufacturing in the U.S. As technology increases, the productivity increases, and the individuals needed in a given area will decline. However, many large corporations have cut back on R&D and their investments in plant and equipment in the U.S., and their “investment” in their employees and communities as they become “global corporations.” More and more products are being made overseas and not replaced by other products being produced in the U.S. Many products are becoming commodity items and shop by only the low price….there is no discernable quality in many of the items to choose from on the shelf. We don’t have top quality products to chose from in many cases even when we are willing to pay for the added utility of a product. That does not produce an environment for open competition.

R&D by many of U.S. companies are not producing as many new products and features as in the past, except for computers and other electronic products. And now many of the computers and electronic products are made overseas. What are replacing these jobs are lower paid service industry jobs that don’t produce any real value and come and go like the wind. This is not progress.

China, nor India, nor Mexico are large markets for foreign-owned companies’ goods. Time and again, such as I mentioned above, bringing production of a good does not significantly increase the demand for the product itself. The significantly lower wages is improved when a production facility is brought in; the standard of living of the employees is increased. Demand for various goods and products increases, but not for everything…especially what may perceived as a luxury item to the newly enriched workers and their families. Their spending priorities and choices are still THEIRS even though they now have the ability to buy more. The wages are still low in these countries and the demand for these products will not replace the purchasing ability removed from the American consumers who still demand these products.

Many times over, companies who have made huge predictions of entry into these markets have been extremely disappointed after several years of very little inroads. These companies have made huge investments in building large factories in these countries only the local demand for the products never met their expectations.

In China [Communist China], it is even worse. After spending large sums of money buying plants, the Communist government has been known to steal trade secrets and produce knock-off products on another side of the same plant built by the foreign company [Communist China wholes a controlling (51+%) interest in all ventures in China and has access to all company records residing in that country]. The competing plants sell to the locals and back overseas at reduced prices undercutting the company that built the plant. Also, workers are not free in China. They can not negotiate wages or organize into local unions without potential retribution from the national government. Additionally, there are significant numbers of prisoners who work in factories for little or no wages. Such an environment does not create open competition.

I do not propose that the federal government get involved with planning private enterprises. Anybody here in the Free Republic knows that the federal government rarely does anything successfully anyway! My concern is the fact that many good-paying manufacturing jobs are leaving the country and not being replaced by other valuable jobs for our citizens. These decisions are being made by far too many (not all) CEOs that are looking to make a living (and retirement) for themselves at the expense of the companies that they run, at the expense of their current and previous employees, and at the expense of the American economy, in general. They are not even looking at the long-term goals of their own companies, while the stockholders and board of directors allow this to happen.

If we truly had full and free open competition in world trade, I am sure that the bulk of the Freepers would not argue against it. But as long as we have greedy CEOs and foreign government subsidies of exported goods, and Communist governments taking advantage of American corporations (in spite of their own foolishness), we do not have open competition in the global environment no matter how many times the egghead international bureaucrats say that we do.

My concern is that all of the stakeholders in these companies are not being taken into consideration, and the citizens of this country (the workers), local governments, and sensible company management work together to develop and grow more business and production in the United States so that we may all prosper and enjoy the vast wealth and value that God gave our ancestors here in the United States. So that we may enjoy its benefits and pass those benefits along with our freedom, our responsibilities and our values on to our children for the future generations to enjoy what was fought for and what was built for the good of ALL here in this great land.

I could write a book on all of this if I had the time, but I think enough has been said, and the point is well enough made.

370 posted on 01/03/2004 11:13:11 PM PST by Jerr (What would Ronald Reagan do? There they go AGAIN!......)
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To: Jerr
Very well said!
371 posted on 01/03/2004 11:16:55 PM PST by superloser
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To: Jerr
I meant to start by saying that I strongly DO NOT believe in protectionism, not the other way around....

but as you can tell, I got a little worked up and sometimes the fingers don't always type what they are told to do!
372 posted on 01/03/2004 11:19:40 PM PST by Jerr (What would Ronald Reagan do? There they go AGAIN!......)
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To: Jerr
370 - thanks for the ping and the well thought out post.
373 posted on 01/04/2004 12:25:35 AM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
There is no agreement on what constitutes basic reality regarding this issue, but rather determination to deny reality.
374 posted on 01/04/2004 12:36:04 AM PST by RLK
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To: *"Free" Trade
bump to index
375 posted on 01/04/2004 3:14:04 AM PST by getgoing
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To: Jerr
Well said Jerr!
376 posted on 01/04/2004 5:24:57 AM PST by A. Pole (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain , the hand of free market must be invisible)
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To: Jerr
Boy, how out of touch you are. Don't you know that the way to do business today is to leech every penny of profit out now and to hell with the future. You must be a buggy whip maker.

:)

377 posted on 01/04/2004 5:42:48 AM PST by raybbr
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To: DannyTN
You make a great deal of sense, but our government seems determined to destroy us and will not go along with any of it.
378 posted on 01/04/2004 5:48:33 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The only thing standing between the rule of law and anarchy is that conservatives are good losers!)
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To: Paul Ross
That stupid crystal was just another "buggy whip."

Like what HP, Dell, GE, FoMoCo, ParkerHannifin, et al, make in China.

Don't you get it yet???
379 posted on 01/04/2004 6:42:51 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: gooleyman
We are in substantial agreement about tax/reg problems, but you'll spend a long time, including time in your grave, before most of them are abrogated. GWB's admin implemented reg changes to make it easier for utilities to merely REPAIR coal-burners, and is being crucified for it...

What would happen if GWB were to dump EEO??

Yes, taxes are too high, and that includes state/locals. Ever see any of them actually reduce their incomes?

Practically speaking, it's much easier to export these problems with tariffs, unless you're ready to organize and lead the next Tea Party.
380 posted on 01/04/2004 6:56:49 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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