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A Plan to Save American Manufacturing
TradeAlert.org ^ | Wednesday, December 31, 2003 | Kevin L. Kearns, Alan Tonelson, and William Hawkins

Posted on 01/01/2004 9:04:11 AM PST by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

Although warnings about the crisis engulfing American manufacturing have been intensifying for months, the sector´s woes continue to be significantly underestimated – certainly by official Washington and even by many manufacturers themselves.  In fact, despite the current boost in growth fueled by deficit spending, tax cuts, mortgage re-financings, and other one-time stimuli, the decline of American manufacturing is fast nearing the point of irreversibility – at least from the standpoint of restoring a critical mass of industries producing in the United States to world leadership.

The nation, in short, faces a manufacturing emergency. Unless drastic measures are taken quickly, this emergency will turn the United States into a second-class manufacturing power, greatly diminishing its own future economic prospects. Further, national security and flexibility in foreign affairs will be severely compromised.  Finally, the international imbalances being created by the manufacturing crisis will likely push the world into a major dollar crisis and could cause a protracted depression.

In part, the manufacturing crisis reflects the economy´s latest cyclical downturn and the deflating of the bubble of the 1990s.  Likewise, the manufacturing employment portion of the crisis stems in part from the increases in productivity in recent years.  But neither of these factors sufficiently explains the root cause of manufacturing´s current troubles, which are the worst by many measures since the end of World War II, and that is the cumulative and continuing effects of two decades of misguided, ill-advised, and weak-willed U.S. trade and globalization policies.

During this period, Washington has consistently failed to open foreign consumption markets adequately to U.S. producers – despite years of promises and the fanfare that greeted each new trade agreement.  In addition, the American government has failed miserably to combat predatory foreign trade practices aimed at undermining U.S. producers in their home market.  Perversely, Washington has responded to these failures by encouraging U.S. manufacturers to supply their home market from low-cost third world production platforms like Mexico and China. And most U.S. multinational corporations, and indeed some of their smaller suppliers, have responded with enthusiasm.

NO TIME TO LOSE

The most serious global macroeconomic dangers stemming from the continued flight of American manufacturing overseas have to date been avoided and may be postponed still further by continued financial policy legerdemain – though the faster America´s international debts keep rising, the more difficult the challenge of correcting the imbalances. But regardless of when the crunch actually comes, the weakening of domestic manufacturing is already undermining the material foundations of American national success.

The prolonged wage slump triggered by the overseas migration of America´s best-paying jobs on average has been rippling through the U.S. economy and American society for at least two decades.  The loss of these important jobs represents a shrinking of the employment base needed for a middle-class standard of living, stable families, and the local and state tax revenues necessary for a first-world level of responsibly financed public infrastructure and social services. Consequently, Americans find increasingly at risk their hard-won 20th century gains in access to quality education, health care, and retirement security (whether paid for by a solvent public sector or a sufficiently broad-based and profitable private sector).

In addition, the manufacturing crisis raises serious questions about the U.S. economy´s ability to maintain a high-tech, world-leading military without worrisome dependence on foreign products and technologies.  Although it is true that defense-related imports come overwhelmingly from long-time allies or traditionally friendly countries, it is just as true that they are growing rapidly at a time when major disagreements increasingly mark the relationships between the United States and these countries.

Further, the massive loss of tax revenue – both corporate and personal – directly attributable to a disappearing industrial base will undoubtedly constrain America´s ability to sustain military operations in both peacetime and wartime at levels that U.S. policymakers have come to take for granted.  Thus the country faces a future in which the ability to project power and thereby affect events and outcomes the world over will be much more limited than anytime in the last century and a quarter.

Most worrisome, the decline of American manufacturing is quickly feeding on itself and gaining unstoppable momentum. Washington´s continuing failure to secure equitable terms of trade forces more and more U.S. firms to compensate by outsourcing.  These moves create powerful pressure for growing numbers of the remaining hold-out companies to follow suit.

The migration of prime contractors overseas inexorably pulls much of their supply chains with them. The export of blue-collar production work leads to the export of white-collar manufacturing-related work, as companies seek the advantages of locating researchers and designers near the factories they service.  In fact, there is a continuous feed-back loop between R&D efforts and the factory floor, with the two functions, R&D and production, operating in tandem.  And as is well documented, R&D and other technology work often produce a clustering effect, which draws labs and similar facilities from other industries in search of new synergies. The notion that the United States will retain high-end design functions while letting production migrate overseas is wishful thinking.  Without major globalization policy changes, this vicious cycle of manufacturing flight cannot be turned into a virtuous cycle of manufacturing resurgence.

LESSONS OF THE RECENT PAST

The following action plan for saving and reviving U.S. industry incorporates recent policy lessons that Americans simply can no longer afford to ignore.

First, although America´s regulatory and tax systems have unnecessarily raised domestic business costs in many instances, the manufacturing crisis springs from far deeper roots. No regulatory, health care, or tax reform schemes that would produce acceptable economic, social, or political results can overcome the damage being done to American manufacturing by today´s globalization policy failures. Improved industrial competitiveness cannot and should not be based on gutting the basics of a just, humane, and inclusive society. Fundamentally new globalization policies are the sine qua non for saving and reviving American manufacturing.

Second, the United States will always have more control over its own actions than over the actions of other countries. Therefore, the keys to reversing American manufacturing´s decline lie neither in more market-opening trade agreements nor in efforts to micro-manage economic and social conditions overseas. Despite decades of so-called free trade agreements, too many foreign markets still remain too closed to U.S. exports. The main reason: Most of the world´s countries view trade as a zero sum game, with a piece of the American domestic market as the prize.  The handful of economies wealthy enough to consume American-made goods can erect new trade barriers faster than U.S. negotiators can even identify them. The U.S. government, moreover, has too much trouble enforcing its own laws and regulations here at home to imagine that enforcing foreign laws and regulations, even those imposed by future trade agreements, will be successful.

Instead, to achieve the necessary results, the United States must focus on managing its own behavior and controlling access to its own market, unilaterally conditioning that access ona strategic analysis of its own national needs and on acceptable practices by its trade partners. In addition, the United States must rely mainly on its own power and leverage to achieve satisfactory terms of trade.  As the record unmistakably shows, one-country-one-vote international organizations like the World Trade Organization too readily turn into mechanisms for undermining American sovereignty, diluting American power, and maintaining global economic free-riding.

Finally, Washington must recognize that simply promoting economic growth and higher incomes abroad will not alone cure U.S. manufacturing´s ills and rebalance America´s trade accounts. Most countries refuse to trust their economic fates to market forces or refuse to permit higher domestic growth to draw in proportionately higher volumes of imports. In short, too little commerce around the world is free enough to allow potential future growth to serve as a U.S. trade and manufacturing cure-all.

The following U.S. Business and Industry Council manufacturing blueprint emphasizes short-term emergency measures for reversing domestic manufacturing´s decline and laying the foundation for its revival. But it also includes longer-term proposals for ensuring that U.S. trade and globalization policies do not revert to the practices that have produced today´s crisis.

EMERGENCY MEASURES

1. The president must declare that the United States faces a manufacturing, R&D, and outsourcing emergency no less threatening to America´s long-term future than even the Great Depression. He must also make clear that the crisis stems mainly from the manipulation of world trading system by mercantilist countries and to the encouragement of offshoring by U.S. trade policy.

2. The president should create an Apollo Program-type task force in the federal government to oversee Washington´s response to the manufacturing crisis. Its mission should be to restore domestic U.S. manufacturing to global preeminence and to boost domestic manufacturing employment and wages.  The program should involve all agencies of U.S. government.

3. Federal R&D spending should be tripled and Washington should offer matching grants to industry.  Special emphasis should be placed on tasking the national labs with helping to develop commercially viable, high-tech products to be manufactured in the United States.

4. The U.S. trade deficit should be quickly and dramatically reduced by imposing a “variable trade equalization tariff” on imports from countries running a trade surplus ten percent or greater of total bilateral trade.  These tariffs should be increased each year until bilateral surpluses fall below the threshold level, at which time they would be removed. Tariffs should be imposed on U.S. trading partners as soon as surpluses reach the 10 percent threshold.

The United States should offer a partial exemption for the world´s poorest countries, but only if concrete, measurable trade breaks from the other OECD countries follow suit and only if the developing country seeking the exemption demonstrates a commitment to democracy and the economic advancement of all its people.  Exemptions are not intended to enrich corrupt, dictatorial elites.

In addition, exceptions would be made for energy imports and other commodities that are not found in the United States and for which no acceptable substitutes exist.

5. Companies manufacturing or assembling in the United States should be barred from treating service work performed overseas as a deductible business expense.  Private companies that outsource overseas the processing of sensitive records, such as medical and financial records, must ensure that their subcontractors meet U.S. privacy standards or face stiff fines.  

6.. Washington should declare a moratorium on all current and future free trade talks pending development of new national trade strategy. The United States government clearly has lost the ability to negotiate trade agreements that enrich the great majority of Americans and strengthen the domestic manufacturing base on net. U.S. leaders should not engage in trade negotiations until this ability is regained.

To develop a fundamentally new national trade strategy, the president and Congress should appoint a National Trade Strategy Commission that includes representatives of business plus civil society groups, such as labor unions and environmental groups. The business representatives on the Commission should be dominated by companies and industries that produce the great majority of their product and value in the United States. The Commission should also include representatives of the nation´s science and technology and national security communities.

7. Washington should declare a moratorium on U.S. compliance with WTO panel decisions pending dramatic reform of organization to reflect America´s position in world economy. The UN Security Council veto and the IMF/World Bank weighted voting systems are possible models of international organization structures appropriate to America´s geopolitical and economic superpower status. If appropriate reform is not completed by the end of 2005, the United States should declare its intention to withdraw from the organization as soon as legally permissible.

8. Washington should declare a moratorium on U.S. compliance with NAFTA panel decisions pending reform of NAFTA´s dispute-resolution process to reflect U.S. predominance in the North American economy. In addition, NAFTA´s rules of origin and external tariffs should be revised to offer meaningful trade preferences to goods with much higher levels of North American content.

9. The U.S. government should resolve the Foreign Sales Corporation tax dispute with the European Union and the World Trade Organization by replacing the current FSC tax incentive with a major tax break for any company, either American or foreign-owned, that performs genuine manufacturing activity in the United States.  Qualification for the tax break would require detailed certification that true manufacturing is occurring in the United States.

10. The United States should expedite procedures for anti-dumping and countervailing duty suits. Threshholds for standing, actionability, and remedies should all be eased. In addition, remedies should be extended to companies up and downstream from immediately affected industries to ensure protection for suppliers and consumers, and prevent foreign economic interests from using divide and conquer tactics against domestic industries.

11. The current steel tariffs should be expanded to cover industries using significant quantities of U.S.-made steel.  Further, the option of extending the tariffs beyond the original three-year deadline should be left open in order to determine conclusively that foreign steel subsidization and dumping have ceased.

12. A stiff tariff should be imposed on countries determined by the U.S. government to be manipulating their currencies for trade advantage. In light of the Treasury Department´s equivocation on the currency policies of Asian mercantilist nations, the definition of currency manipulation that now exists must be broadened.  A strong dollar remains in the long-term interests of the U.S. economy, but foreign governments must not be able to distort trade flows to the advantage of their companies by giving them artificial cost advantages.    

13. The defense industry must be treated by the federal government in a fundamentally different way from the commercial sector.  It exists solely to serve the national interest and national security, and must be structured and managed accordingly.  Therefore, a 65 percent U.S. content requirement should be imposed on all military procurement, rising to 80 percent in five years and 95 percent in ten years.  This requirement should immediately cover the procurement of all goods and services for domestic military facilities and operations, and to the fullest extent possible cover foreign bases as well.  Presidential waiver authority should be sharply limited, especially for countries that have records as problem traders or that demand offsets for purchases of American weapons systems.

14. Public money taken from the domestic economy by taxes or borrowing should be returned to the domestic economic economy by the procurement of American-produced goods and services.  Procuring government services domestically is also necessary to ensure the continued privacy and security of the financial and health records of all Americans.  Thus a 50 percent U.S.-content requirement should be imposed on all non-military federal procurement, rising to 80 percent in five years and 95 percent in ten years. Presidential waiver authority should be sharply limited. This requirement should immediately cover the procurement of all services for domestic facilities and programs.

15. The scheduled abolition of the Multi-Fiber Arrangement governing world trade in textile and apparel should be suspended indefinitely, pending a study of the effects of the MFA's abolition on domestic and third-world producers in these industries.

16. Stiff tariffs should be levied on countries that impose offset requirements on U.S. defense manufacturers.

17. The president should declare a moratorium on foreign acquisitions of U.S. defense-related companies pending completion of comprehensive study of the status of the roughly 1,500 such companies acquired since 1988 under the current policy framework and government screening system.

18. Strict, detailed country-of-origin labeling should be required on all food and agricultural imports.

19. Legal immigration into the United States should be limited to 500,000 annually. Enforcement measures to halt illegal immigration should be dramatically increased, including significant and sustained increases in the budgets of those federal agencies responsible for enforcing immigration laws.  

Immigration at today´s levels – both legal and illegal – can only serve to depress wages for American workers by artificially inflating the supply of labor. Moreover, the most likely victims of such massive immigration flows are the recent arrivals themselves, who are forced to compete directly for jobs with the unending flow of newcomers arriving right after them.

The H-1B visa program for technology workers should be abolished.  A new federal commission comprised both of U.S. technology worker interests and tech industry interests should conduct a study to determine labor needs in technology industries and how they should be met.

LONGER-TERM MEASURES

1. Washington must insist that any future trade agreements be strictly reciprocal and strongly enforceable by the U.S. government, unilaterally if necessary.

2. Any future U.S. trade agreements must include provisions penalizing signatories for currency manipulation.  IN fact, currency manipulation can be used to defeat or offset the effects of reducing or eliminating trade barriers.  

3. The president should launch a major diplomatic campaign to press other OECD countries to increase third world imports, enforceable unilaterally by tariffs on the products of any non-cooperating OECD countries. Under-importing of third-world products by the European Union and Japan in particular has greatly increased the pressure on the U.S. market to absorb third-world production. Greater burden sharing in this vital sphere is urgently needed.

Because the overriding interest of U.S. trade policy is to advance the economic interests of the great majority on the American people and the long-term security and prosperity of the United States, Americans should feel no special obligation to import goods or services from third-world, or indeed any other, countries.  Such imports are especially unacceptable if they sacrifice the interests of American workers and domestic companies.  But a campaign to get Europe and Japan to do more is needed for three reasons:

  1. to counter perceptions that U.S. protectionism is the greatest current barrier to third world economic development;
  2. to highlight America´s record in promoting this development; and
  3. to call attention to the poor importing records of the other main OECD countries.

4. The United States should focus any new trade agreements on high-income countries capable of serving as final consumers of U.S. exports. Washington´s recent focus on third world countries capable of serving only as re-export platforms has been a substantial contributor to today´s current trade deficits.  In particular, the United States should seek a free trade agreement with Europe that excludes agriculture.  Washington should also take stronger measures to open Japanese and Korean markets, including unilateral tariffs if necessary.

5. The president should remove responsibility for monitoring and enforcing trade agreements from the office of the U.S. Trade Representative and place it in the Department of Commerce. As the lead agency for negotiating new trade agreements, the USTR´s office has every incentive to soft-pedal the deficiencies in both the structure and functioning of these agreements. Dividing these responsibilities would eliminate a major policy-making conflict of interest.  

6. Congress should enact strict foreign lobbying reform covering all federal officials, including lifetime bans on working for foreign interests for former senior Executive and Legislative branch officials.

7. The Commerce and Defense Departments should be designated as co-chairs of the inter-agency Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which reviews all proposed foreign acquisitions of U.S. defense-related companies. Exon-Florio filings  must be made mandatory, and the threshold for investigation lowered.  With the Treasury Department chairing this panel for its decade-and-a-half of existence, national security concerns have not been adequately addressed in CFIUS´s decisions, which generally reflect only Treasury´s desire to see surplus dollars in foreign hands repatriated effortlessly.

8. The president should commission immediate reports – written by special Commercial Action Teams composed mainly of industry representatives and some government officials – on foreign subsidies existing outside the steel industry and implement tariffs to offset them. Washington should first offer to negotiate the abolition of such subsidies, but it must insist on results that are achieved quickly, as well as completely verifiable and enforceable by the U.S. government.

9. The federal government must publish more complete and timely foreign trade and investment data. This data should include detailed information on the importing, sourcing, and employment trends of all multinational companies and in fact all companies that do business in the United States.  The provision of the data to the appropriate government agencies must be made mandatory.

10. The president should launch a comprehensive review of all U.S. defense alliances to determine which remain relevant to 21st century U.S. interests.  The president should explicitly state that foreign policy and defense considerations will no longer automatically trump the economic interests of the United States and the American people.

STRONG – BUT ESSENTIAL – MEDICINE

No one should assume that implementing this manufacturing revival plan will be pain-free. All economic adjustments and transitions exact costs as well as create benefits.  Those necessary to improve the long-run fundamentals of American manufacturing and strengthen the foundations of the U.S. and world economies as a whole will be that much more difficult because of the national and global economic excesses that were fostered since the completion of the “Tokyo Round” of international trade talks, but especially during the 1990s.

Specifically, some temporary slowdown in U.S. and global growth rates seems unavoidable. And thanks to the power of recklessly expanded international trade and investment, pushed unceasingly by economic ideologues and short-sighted multinational companies, achieving this slowdown will require serious restrictions on trade and investment flows.

Yet the only alternatives proposed to date are policies that are already proven failures, or that are surrenders to wishful thinking. Moreover, these responses can only postpone the day of reckoning, not prevent it. And just as permitting a disease to fester usually ensures that the needed treatment will be that much stronger, more painful, and less certain to work, permitting the manufacturing crisis to fester and inflating the global economic bubble further will only increase, not decrease the economic dangers facing America and the world.

The implementation of restorative measurers cannot be left to the good sense of Washington policymakers and elected officials.  As a group, they have demonstrated convincingly time and again that they do not grasp the magnitude of the problems they have created and that they are bereft of comprehensive solutions.  Instead, they prefer cosmetic changes, designed to relieve political pressure and ensure reelection.

If the necessary policy reorientation is to be accomplished, the impetus must come from the remaining domestic manufacturers, their employees, their communities, and local and state governments, which are experiencing first-hand the budget crises caused in large part by globalization policies – whether the movement of plants overseas, company bankruptcies due to unfair foreign practices, high-tech and other services outsourcing, uncontrolled immigration with the resulting disproportionate consumption of social services, etc.  In short, grass roots efforts must reach critical mass to force Washington to change two generations of misguided policies.

If any political leaders or economic experts know how to solve the manufacturing and trade crises without the significant trade restrictions featured in our action plan, the U.S. Business and Industry Council would welcome their ideas with open arms. But we would also be wondering what they´ve been waiting for.  The time for comprehensive action to save American manufacturing has long since passed. Very soon there will be little left to save.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: freetrade; globalism; immigration; manufacturing; nationaldebt; nationalsecurity; sovereignty; technology; thebusheconomy; trade; tradedeficit
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To: ninenot
If you are in the industry, you then understand that a large number of manufacturers are deferring the investment in automation and simply going for the cheap labor overseas.

Yes, I do understand that companies like Black & Decker are simply going for cheap labor overseas instead of modernizing their factories here. That is called mis-management. It cannot be stopped with gov't regulation or tarriffs. Companies like this are doomed.

BTW, there are no "unskilled jobs" anymore, at least not in a well-run plant.

Absolutely not true!!!!!! Obviously, you do not go into many manufacturing plants. There are thousands of jobs done by people like filling bottles of perfume by hand, or packing bottles into boxes by hand. These companies are doomed to move overseas if they do not automate.

201 posted on 01/02/2004 8:58:44 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: ninenot
Why would FOMoCo do that? Simple. Five years of vastly increased profits and concomitant debt reduction. Ford is in trouble financially, and the Chinese have offered them a solution.

Are vastly increased profits bad? Is that not the basis for capitalism? Ford owes this to its stockholders who are mainly ordinary workers.

Billy Ford's interests lie in maximizing the value of his shares, not in maintaining FoMoCo's employment in America. Henry Ford would kill this poor kid, if he got his hands on him.

Two different eras. I think Henry would kill Billy if he did not take the actions necessary to keep the company alive.

202 posted on 01/02/2004 9:03:02 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: templar
Templar: The fact is that high tech and IT jobs are being eliminated to "lower-cost overseas labor eventually.". Skill levels are relative, and there is no job that is so highly skilled that it cannot be competed with by others in countries with substantially lower standards of living than ours. The question is: How do we lower the standard of living in our country (everything from job saftey to building codes and zoning laws) enough to make us again competitive with the third world? Or, perhaps, do we want to?

True that many high-tech jobs are leaving. But many are coming back because the education levels of other countries does not allow for true "low-cost" manufacturing.

We do not have to lower our standard of living. We have to make it more cost effective to stay here. Lowering taxes and decreasing regulations (not reasonable safety) will result in more manufacturing remaining in our nation.

203 posted on 01/02/2004 9:06:25 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi
Actually, Erik, I spend a lot of time in plants for someone who doesn't work in one.

But my "territory" is metalbenders--the folks who ARE automated, and who HAVE multi-tasking sophisticated workforces, and who are STILL moving overseas.

No perfume factories for me. That's East Coast hoity-toity stuff.
204 posted on 01/02/2004 9:07:13 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: ninenot

Although your earlier posts hinted at it, you've here made it clear that you are another robot/disruptor without foundation in elementary philosophy.

Your office in Beijing is calling.

Name-calling, which I have not engaged in, only demonstrates your lack of argument ability.

205 posted on 01/02/2004 9:08:37 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi
Focus on profit to the exclusion of all other factors is a very dangerous thing. That's why corporate success stories include references to their workers, mid-managers, etc.,; the people who actually come up with the ideas to improve the Company's operations.

But since you think all workers are merely ciphers on a spreadsheet, you might not get that concept, Erik.
206 posted on 01/02/2004 9:09:40 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: Last Dakotan
No, that was the deal Ford had to accept to gain access to the Chinese market. Its called a trade barrier and counter to agreements the Chinese already made. It is the job of our government to policy such agreements. A job they have proven either unwilling or unable to do.

No, Ford did not *HAVE* to accept the deal. They accepted the deal for benefit, not loss.

Ask yourself why would they benefit?

207 posted on 01/02/2004 9:10:20 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi
Frankly, I think Henry would have killed HFII, would have LOVED Iacocca, and then killed Billy's predecessor as well as Billy.

Ford understood that "preservation of the Company" is much easier to do if the Company's employees can afford to buy his products. On the larger scale, it will be helpful if average citizens in the USA can buy FoMoCo product--evidently Billy thinks so, regardless of whether they are employed.
208 posted on 01/02/2004 9:12:16 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: ninenot

But remember, Erik--those union agreements were agreements on BOTH sides. Big Steel, like Big Auto, gave a lot away; usually because management was just as greedy as the unions.

Or didn't you learn that in automation class??

Name-calling again? I agree that management gave away too much to the unions. Unfortunately, that is what happens when decisions are made in the context of "feel-good" instead of reason.

209 posted on 01/02/2004 9:13:30 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: ninenot
But my "territory" is metalbenders--the folks who ARE automated, and who HAVE multi-tasking sophisticated workforces, and who are STILL moving overseas.

Are they moving overseas to ship the goods back to us or are their markets moving overseas?

No perfume factories for me. That's East Coast hoity-toity stuff.

And those perfume factories are the lowest-tech around and charge the most for their products! They are leaving quickly due to that.

210 posted on 01/02/2004 9:17:59 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: ninenot
Focus on profit to the exclusion of all other factors is a very dangerous thing. That's why corporate success stories include references to their workers, mid-managers, etc.,; the people who actually come up with the ideas to improve the Company's operations

If a company focuses on profit only, then they will lose workers and decay into oblivion. A company has to retain people with ideas, but it also has to get rid of the dead weight and hire new people with new ideas.

Hence, people are a resource.

211 posted on 01/02/2004 9:20:53 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: ninenot
Ford understood that "preservation of the Company" is much easier to do if the Company's employees can afford to buy his products. On the larger scale, it will be helpful if average citizens in the USA can buy FoMoCo product--evidently Billy thinks so, regardless of whether they are employed.

Billy is not moving all the Ford plants overseas. Domestic auto manufacturing is at an all-time high if you include the number of new plants in the US. Auto industry is a good example of expansion to fill demand in other nations.

212 posted on 01/02/2004 9:24:02 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Dialup Llama
Just like it is with people, companies have either good, bad or mediocre personalities.

The profit motive is certainly important, because without profits, a company cannot survive and with low profits it cannot grow or innovate which is necessary for survival.

Most of these companies who move operations to foreign labor and tax markets do it reluctantly.

I know of no company that did it gladly.

Many have just folded and cashed in or bankrupted.

The federal government really can do little for them except to make sure the regulatory environment is not killing them off for no particular important reason and to deal with them on back tax issues.

State governments actually have more ability to help and do not have the resources needed at this time to do so.

I have been worried about this subject for many years and have learned that change is upsetting, but it is change that often sets the stage for new realities and new prospects for profits and employment.

One this that is certain, the assembly line, labor intensive manufacturing operations will not be here much longer. We cannot save them unless we subsidized their balance sheets and we cannot do that for many reasons.

We do, however need to maintain heavy industries that are critical to our security like ship building, electrical grid components and petroleum.

Small manufacturing that rolls with the flow and changes direction quickly can survive well in this market. Mini mills have replaced the big smelters in the steel industry. Small innovative tech firms are making great profits.

Our intellectual capital is as good as ever but needs improvement. Our work ethics have suffered and need to improve. Our ability to innovate and take risks has suffered in recent years and Bush is trying to jump start it.

Our future is not dark. On the contrary, it is wide open and likely will be a bright future, but we need to put our noses to the innovative grindstone and stop making improvements with productivity alone. That street has come to a end I believe.

213 posted on 01/02/2004 9:51:58 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: Erik Latranyi
Are they moving overseas to ship the goods back to us or are their markets moving overseas?

Both and.

If they are components suppliers, their "markets" (the large OEM's like FoMoCo) have moved some ops overseas--but the product will be shipped back here, eventually, in a FoMoCo product.

In other cases, they just moved for the slave labor and lack of regs--mostly, these are the Fortune 100 firms (who then force their suppliers to provide nearby-overseas markets.)

Finally: why don't you have your perfume-manufacturers look at used brewing equipment in Milwaukee, or anyplace ELSE where breweries have closed?

Automated bottling was damn near invented here in Mke; Pabst, back in 1972, could fill over 100 bottles/minute on just ONE line...

214 posted on 01/02/2004 10:16:59 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Yeah. Domestic auto production is at a high--note, please that it is so BECAUSE of Ron Reagan's tariffs. THe Japanese decided to build plants here rather than fight.

OTOH, a large percentage of both domestic AND foreign-produced autos contain offshore-made OEM parts from, (inter alia) Parker-Hannifin, Eaton, etc...
215 posted on 01/02/2004 10:19:00 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: Erik Latranyi; wirestripper; ninenot
This is where you are completely wrong. Steel manufacturing in the US is ancient compared to newer, smaller steel manufacturers overseas.
I know this industry well. It is not advanced compared to overseas facilities.

Horsefeathers.

2000 National Productivity of Steel Production
Country
 Steel Production 
(million metric tons)
 Employment 
(thousands)
Productivity
(tons/employee)
Australia
8.5
21
404
Austria
5.7
12
475
Belgium
11.6
20
580
Brazil
27.9
63
443
Canada
16.6
56
296
Finland
4.1
8
512
France
21.0
37
567
Germany
46.4
77
602
Italy
26.7
39
684
Japan
106.4
197
540
Luxembourg
2.6
4
650
Netherlands
5.7
12
475
South Korea
43.1
57
756
Spain
15.8
22
718
Sweden
5.2
13
400
United Kingdom
15.2
29
524
United States
101.5
151
672

US steelmaking technology remains among the most productive industries on the face of the planet. In fact, US steelmakers such as Nucor operate at productivity levels exceeding 1000 tons/employee. However, these high-tech mini-mills achieve their productivity levels by recycling scrap. Our national average is somewhat lowered by the existance of larger, integrated mills that are used to produce steel from virgin raw materials and ore. Many smaller nations do not have this capability.

Advanced US steelmaking technology is being undercut in the global market by more antiquated, pollution-belching technology.

Frankly Erik, your lack of understanding of these facts exposes you as a fraud.

216 posted on 01/02/2004 10:24:09 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Willie----for crying out loud, Erik understands PERFUME bottling!!! Ain't that almost like steel-making??
217 posted on 01/02/2004 10:51:58 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: blueriver
The jobs still exist, the difference now is that the jobs are in other counties.

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This I simply don't believe that statement. Sounds like one of those sayings that keep being repeated without evidence until people believe it and go into despair. Kinda like the "jobless recovery" saying. Please provide a link to a credible source for this info, or else state that it's just your opinion. Either way, my suggestion at the start of this discussion still applies. If indeed these jobs have been exported, lower taxes and regulations drastically and they too will come back. We also have the best of the best Engineers, in my humble (biased) opinion.
218 posted on 01/02/2004 11:01:17 AM PST by gooleyman
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To: ninenot
Eau De Martensite?
219 posted on 01/02/2004 11:23:54 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: gooleyman
Ah--about 2 million jobs were lost from the domestic manufacturing sector in the last 4-5 years. You can look it up, either at BEA's analysis/Department of Labor, or in the thread-head article (or on their website.)

I cannot tell you how many of the 2 million re-appeared overseas, but I CAN tell you that it's a large portion, certainly well over 35%.

220 posted on 01/02/2004 11:51:11 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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