General Zinni, what a Ninny

townhall.com ^ | December 31, 2003 | Joel Mowbray

[ArneFufkin]

Dennis, you and I have clashed on my "Roadmap" insights, which I'll admit weren't particularly diplomatic in presentation. To say the least.

But here's my thought still ... the ROADMAP was was always an Israeli-Palistinian process with the imprimitaur of George W. Bush. It reflects a reality ... Israel, with it's world class talened, blessed, tough and courageous sons and daughters ... cannot prevail in conflict over 400 - 600 million Arab/Muslims within 4000 miles regardless of nuclear strength. Can't happen!

It won't happen on Israeli power alone, they require the US to be the ongoing protector. I'm hip! But, what a dismal world for young Israelis going forward! The options are limited and no option that includes peace does NOT include a Palestinian state.

So, the Roadmap was coattailed behind our Afghanistan and Iraqi campaigns. Which ROCKED! It was a lesson to the Syrians, Saudis and Iranians who were the marianettes of the .. honestly dumb assed Palis (they're the dumbest, most manipulated and violent people on Earth) ... telling the few engaged and hopeful among them that your time is now, the death monkeys are in chains. That's how it goes there.

Sharon understands the big picture. He's a HERO. Israeli politics, with their three party nonsense, cannot survive ANY long term strategic campaign. Unless it's Ariel. He has the bona fides to make a deal.

I want THAT DEAL to happen. No Palastinian state ... there's no long term peace. There's no legitimate Pali leader who wasn't once a terrorist against Israel ... see Menachim Begin. That's the way it is.

Trust Powell, trust Bush, trust Sharon. Please. They know what they are doing. Israel can NEVER go door to door and find terrorists. An honest Palestinian Authority can POINT OUT the terrorists in their neighborhoods.

We didn't just FIND Saddam, Uday and Kusay. They were given up. Same thing in Gaza and the West Bank. They'll give up the murderers when they have a secure alternative.

Secure alternatives are EVERYTHING in life. Here, there and everywhere. (Hip hip hip to be square?)

[veronica]

Zinni’s comments are eerily similar to those made by former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad at the Organization of the Islamic Conference summit this October.

And every anti-semitic internut. They rail against "neo-cons" but please, just remember, they aren't anti-semitic, they are just "anti-Zionist." (wink wink)

[veronica]

The best known neo conservatives are Jewish except for Rumsfield and Dick Cheney.

Plus Bill Bennett and Jeane Kirkpatrick.

[Cap'n Crunch]

It amazes me how fast someone can go from hero to goat. Not long ago Gen. Zinni was praised left and right. Now he expresses his opinion and he's a bum and always been a bum. I don't get it.

It appears to me that if you say something in disagreement about Israel your also a secret Nazi.

Strange.

[Maximum Leader]

I've appreciated reading your comments on your thread. When you get back to the world (as they say in Vietnam war movies), you should sit down and write about your experiences in this war.

What bothers me about this Mowbray column is that he labels this esteemed retired general an anti-semite on the basis on what he, the columnist, decodes Zinni "really meant".

In our society, being called racist or anti-semitic is as defamatory a statement you can make about a person. If a person makes an anti-semitic statement they should be called on it. But I think a columnist should have a little more evidence than the fact that Zinni said something that reminds him of what the Malaysian Prime Minister once said.

[okie01]

Try the Guardian editorials, Robert Fisk and the rest of the anti-American Eurolibs.

To them, "Neocon" is clearly a codeword, used as a pejorative for "conservative Jew".

And, as the Guardian, in particular, uses it, one can infer that it is commonly employed in this fashion within their social circle.

It's my observation that the practice appears to be spreading across the Atlantic, to the salons of the liberal literati in the USA. Camille Paglia, I believe, has remarked upon it.

If you're blissfully unaware of the phenomenon, I'm sorry to have disturbed you with the matter.

[Gunslingr3]

I swear, I want to group all you 15th century FR paleos at CPAC and pour boiling oil down from castles onto you. Those that survive get drawn and quartered after luck of the draw quarterfinal survival rounds. Will THAT make you happy?

I think it says more about you than anything else.

[desertcry]

You are correct, the Jews in NY are relatively few, unfortunately they have a lot of financial clout and have contributed much to hillary's election to the senate. Example: george soros is only 1 Jew, but believe me, he will play a very important role in the 2004 election against President GWB and against many Republicans in Congress. I have nothing against the Jews, I have many, many, Jewish friends, most of them are not rich, but are conservatives and that's probably why they are not millionaires.

[af_vet_1981]

You are correct, the Jews in NY are relatively few, unfortunately they have a lot of financial clout and have contributed much to hillary's election to the senate.

Can you quantify your assertions with facts, figures, and links ?

Example: george soros is only 1 Jew, but believe me, he will play a very important role in the 2004 election against President GWB and against many Republicans in Congress.

I reject your example. Calling George Soros a Jew is akin to calling Hillary Clinton a Christian.

George Soros, a Hungarian-born Jew who escaped the Holocaust by fleeing to London as a child, is ranked the 28th richest person in the United States (with a fortune valued at $7 billion) by Forbes magazine.

In November 2003, for the first time ever, the billionaire spoke to a Jewish audience at the conference of the Jewish Funders Network. Many people were dismayed by his call for “regime change” in the United States, his talk of funding projects in “Palestine" and the Geneva Accord, and his ideas about the cause of anti-Semitism.

Soros said European anti-Semitism is the result of the policies of Israel and the United States. “There is a resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe. The policies of the Bush administration and the Sharon administration contribute to that,” Soros said. “If we change that direction, then anti-Semitism also will diminish,” he said. “I can’t see how one could confront it directly.”

Soros also said that he has personally contributed to anti-Semitism. Soros believes that Malaysian prime minister, Mahathir Mohammad, was referring to people like Soros when he said, “Jews rule the world by proxy.” Soros' projects and funding have influenced governments and promoted various political causes around the world.

Soros' comments were called “absolutely obscene" by Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League.

International philanthropist George Soros was born in Budapest, Hungary in 1930. He emigrated to England in 1947 and graduated from the London School of Economics in 1952. In 1956, he moved to the United States.

I have nothing against the Jews, I have many, many, Jewish friends, ...

But of course, doesn't everybody ?

William Rapfogel, executive director of the Metropolitan Jewish Council on Jewish Poverty, pointed out that those families who make just above the poverty level are actually in worse shape than those below the line because they do not qualify for such benefits as Medicaid, Food Stamps and rental assistance.

The study confirmed what Rapfogel has been saying for years — that one-third of the Jewish population in New York City is at or near the poverty level. “Some people thought we were crying wolf,” he said.

“There are more Jews in poverty today than there were 10 years ago,” Rapfogel said of the city statistics. “Ten years ago there were 145,000 people living at or below the poverty level; today UJA is saying it is over 200,000. And the near-poor could increase that number by 10 percent. So combined, the number could be more than 40 percent” of city residents living near or below the poverty level.

[Sonny M]

Zinni’s comments are eerily similar to those made by former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad at the Organization of the Islamic Conference summit this October.

What to few many people fail to realize is that Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad was actually referring to somone very real, he was talking about George Soros, he still blames him for ruining the country's economy and currancy.

[desertcry]

You have made your point, soros is a bad Jew. But of course doesn't everybody? But of course, hitler, saddam, arafat...... have many, many Jewish friends.

[Mr. Mojo]

As he explains to the Post, “Somehow, the neocons [Jews] captured the president. They captured the vice president.”

Yep, those all-powerful Jews can do just about anything, which is especially impressive given their small numbers. The Prez and VP are just like puppets in their hands --- automations programmed to do whatever those soul-less, greedy people desire. Ah, to be a member of this onmipotent tribe must be nice. .....Oh, but wait. I am! Now I feel dissed. I demand my fair share of power! Why does everyone else get to have all the fun?!

[Benjo]

Thanks for your stout defense of General Zinni.

Mowbray's article was despicable in that it attemped to label Zinni an anti-semite for saying what everybody knows, freely talks about and for the most part sees as completely unremarkable--that most of the people who make and shape American policy in the Middle East are Jewish conservative intellectuals (popularly known as "Neocons"). I just read an article by Ari Shavit in Haaretz written last April that said precisely that: "The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history." Just in case anyone has any doubts who Shavit means he gives a partical list: "Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer"

Now Zinni comes along and says the same thing and Mowbray calls him an anti-semite. Obviously that's a low blow and furthermore it doesn't get at what Mowbray obviously really objects to--Zinni's contention that the Neocons don't know what they're doing. But if that's how Mowbray feels, that's what he ought to have attacked Zinni for, instead of smearing such a worthy man with gratuitous charges of anti-Semitism.

[ex-snook]

"Thanks for your stout defense of General Zinni. "

This may be the beginning of a revolt by the Generals to save President Bush. The Generals have won all the battles and don't want to lose the war because of the civilians, neo-con or otherwise.

General Shinseki took the first hit and was dumped. General Powell has been a critic, Chalabi affair put facts on the ground. Interesting quote was Gen. Tommy Franks in Bob Woodward's Plan of Attack, in which Franks calls Feith "the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth." The Washington testimony lineup with week was accompanied by the comment 'we are not going to be left holding the bag' [maybe someone knows which General made the comment]. Now Zinni.

Something is up. Bush has to agree or may have to fire them all ala Truman - MacArther. The location of Bush's speech in Carlisle is symbolic.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Where is Palestine? Do you mean Judea and Samaria?