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French Author Claims 'Finding Nemo' Plagiarism By Disney
Reuters ^ | December 30, 2003 | Shiraz Sidhva

Posted on 12/30/2003 1:20:59 PM PST by Shermy

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To: pogo101
Thanks....there's more gray each day. I told my wife "I'm about at the age where I'm ready to give up my good lucks for wealth." Just joking. I know money can't buy happiness but it sure as hell can make misery easier to live with.
81 posted on 12/31/2003 4:18:24 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: Richard Kimball
Garfield was an offshoot of Snoopy, and Hobbes was also.

I have to disagree with that on a minor point. In the beginning, Garfield was strictly a quadruped. In an interview on KSFO with WND columnist Barbara Simpson, Jim Davis said that it was none other than Charles Schulz who convinced him to expand Garfield's horizons by having him walk upright like Snoopy does.

If you can, check out the very, very early Peanuts strips, when the main characters were Charlie Brown, Shermy, Patty (not Peppermint Patty) and Lucy (Linus and Schroeder were born into the strip later). Snoopy was strictly a dog, with no vivid imagination causing him to fantasize about being a World War I pilot or an astronaut.

As for Calvin & Hobbes: reading an interview with Bill Watterson is a maddening experience. He took the strip seriously, which is good, but he intellectualized the characters in his own mind to an extent that it makes you wonder if he is sane.

82 posted on 12/31/2003 4:47:36 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: agrace
You can always tell who has children.
83 posted on 12/31/2003 4:56:11 PM PST by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: L.N. Smithee
Watterston is a flake, but a very creative flake. I think some of the guys assume that I'm dissing the strip, but it was one of my favorites. Watterston took the names of the title characters from John Calvin and Thomas Hobbes, so you know he's going to be an intellectual. He also refused to allow any merchandising of the characters, except for the compiled books, which has cost him millions of dollars. He could have had Calvin and Hobbes dolls, children's books, statues, greeting cards, televison specials, stickers, etc. The "Calvin p*ssing" stickers you see on vehicles are bootlegs.

In Charlie Brown, Snoopy and Me, Shultz explained that Snoopy was based on a dog he'd owned as a child, as was the Charlie Brown character (Shultz's father was even a barber, like Charlie Brown's). He said Snoopy started out as a dog, but he slowly started reacting to the children around him, and just gradually grew into a major character. He also said he had to work hard to keep Snoopy from taking over the entire strip, especially after Woodstock came along to be a side kick that could interact with him more readily.

What I was saying was, that without Snoopy and Garfield, there would not have been a Hobbes. Certainly there were other influences. Winnie the Pooh, for example, was another character that existed as a toy in real life, but was alive in the eyes of his owner. Hobbes, though, traces his roots, I believe more directly through Snoopy. Prior to Snoopy, comic strip animals were pretty much, well, animals. Ruff was never anything but a dog. Dittoes for Barfy (Family Circus), Pluto (Mickey Mouse), Daisy (Dagwood and Blondie) and most other cartoon pets. They were primarily animals. After Snoopy, thinking animals appeared throughout comics. Garfield had an edge of sarcasm that Snoopy never had, and I think this edge influenced Watterston in the creation of Hobbes.

I used to teach cartooning classes (non-credit) at the University of Texas, so I've thought about this a lot more than is probably healthy. I'm surprised at the number of people who have reacted to my post.

I do consider the tie between Hobbes and Snoopy to be relatively minor, and am convinced that the two major influences on the strip were "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" and the Chuck Jones series of cartoons about the daydreaming boy.

84 posted on 12/31/2003 10:46:00 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Shermy
Sounds like the frog has a case for the fish.
85 posted on 12/31/2003 10:54:53 PM PST by willyboyishere (HE)
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To: Interesting Times
Yeah, I think Hobbes is more derivative of Snoopy, although it wouldn't surprise me to find that Watterston watched the old Rocky-Bullwinkle series. If there's a Pogo influence to the strip, I think it's when he tries to get philosophical, which I thought were some of the weaker story lines. Walt Kelly was a master of weaving political subthemes. Watterston did on occasion, but the results were far less effective.

I wasn't claiming that Watterston stole the characters, simply that they were strong influences. From the reaction I'm getting, I may have left the impression that I thought Watterston sat down with Peanuts and Garfield strips and copied storylines, which is not the case.

86 posted on 12/31/2003 10:57:14 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred
HA, that's the truth. Went to see this in the theater with my 6 year old last summer and we just HAD to buy it on DVD when it came out. :)
87 posted on 01/01/2004 7:58:26 AM PST by agrace
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To: Richard Kimball
I wasn't claiming that Watterston stole the characters, simply that they were strong influences. From the reaction I'm getting, I may have left the impression that I thought Watterston sat down with Peanuts and Garfield strips and copied storylines, which is not the case.

Okay, fair enough. I still find it difficult to see Garfield as a particular influence on Hobbes, though, absent any comment to that effect by Watterson.

88 posted on 01/01/2004 9:14:33 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Shermy
So it's now come to a frog suing a mouse over a fish?
89 posted on 01/01/2004 9:20:42 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: leadhead
*Quickly scribbles down a drawing of a clownfish and holds it up proudly*
I'm suing!!! Look!! *points to drawing* Their clownfish is like mine! C'mon, how many creative people can think of an orange fish with white stripes?!
90 posted on 01/28/2004 8:30:52 AM PST by Ash_Star (Hears Disney cry, "Mine, mine, mine, mine!")
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