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To: RinaseaofDs
You didn't have the courage to answer my question.

I have answered your question in great detail. Must I spell everything out for you?

Dubya is only expanding on the CFR proposed after Nixon. Where in the omnipotent (to you) and unrecognized (to the American people) Constitution does it say rich people may not give whatever money they want to a candidate. It doesn't. CFR is unconsitutional...it has been unconstitutional for over 30 years yet it is the law of the land.

Again, before you ASSume I like CFR, I don't make the rules I just recognize reality.

You may criticize Dubya all you want. It is a worthless exercise since Dubya will gain 2 votes for every vote lost on the issue. The American people demand CFR. You would have no matter if Dubya or Gore were President. No 3rd party candidate will win, in large part, because they refuse to give the American people what they want.

The short answer to your question "Does GWB deserve some criticism for gutting the First Amendment?" is no. I don't blame 60 Senators or 240 congressmen for passing it either.

I know, I know. You believe Dubya should show leadership, tell the American people to screw themselves, and let a 'rat win and do worse harm to our nation. I think that is unhelpful for me and my children.

526 posted on 01/05/2004 9:43:01 PM PST by Once-Ler (Proud Republican and Bushbot)
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To: Once-Ler
You are scary.
527 posted on 01/05/2004 10:05:12 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Only those who dare truly live - CGA 88 Class Motto)
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To: Once-Ler
So the constitution is just paper to you?

Where do you draw the line? If GWB decides that it makes sense to have everyone either register their firearms in a national database, or hand them over, what will you do?

If he decides the 4th amendment is sort of inconvenient, and that warrants are sort of optional before law enforcement can take your house apart looking for something you have no business knowing about, what's your position going to be on that.

What if, and this is a very real possibility Dad, he decides that he's going to require the services of your son, daughter, or both, and they should hustle into the post office to register for the draft, which is forthcoming. What then?

What if he decides that it would be okay to place your son or daughter under the command of a Polish general somewhere over in Syria in a forward combat position. What then?

Where's the line between blind trust and patriotism for you?

Now, you are out of gas in terms of logic or the facts, since you've decided that the Constitution of the United States is nothing more than a set of suggestions more than the foundation of our system of laws, and that very short term political calculation takes precedence.

At this point you will resort to your M.O. and hurl some insult at me and go play in someone elses sandbox.

I'm serious about this suggestion: reread the Constitution. Read the Federalist Papers. Especially the Federalist Papers - you'd swear they were written last week. The founders had looked back on 1000's of years of failed governance and wrote a new plan. So far it is worked, and it is massive arrogance to think that we have learned anything in 200 years or so that we didn't already know before.

Amending the Constitution without consent of the Congress is Judicial activism, and it is worth standing up against.

Another knock on GWB: All he had to do is say the word and Frist would have dropped the Nuke in the Senate to put a stop to the improper filibustering of Judges.

Your party is what it is because we are not willing to stand by and see it hijacked by guys like Clinton, or well-meaning ones like GWB. The rats are going to be on their ass for the next little while until they figure out that its okay to be against abortion.

Mark my words, they are going nowhere else until they fix that problem. The moral high ground is off-limits to them until they do, and that means virtually the entire southern US.

So, have some guts and be willing to let your President and your Party know that you think he can be wrong. This is the arena of ideas - the very thing that rats have forgotten. They have no idea what they stand for anymore.

If we follow your lead, neither will we. We'll simply do anything we have to in order to retain power. That is exactly what you are suggesting we do.

One more thing: Stop telling me what the American People demand. You don't know anymore than I do. They don't demand anything except to be safe in their person and their property - that we know. That much we have figured out. You are just pounding the table when you do that - invoking some imaginary crowd swelling behind you as you make your pronouncemnts.

Clinton has been excellent for you and for your party. He has made possible what was impossible for 40 years - an R Congress and R Presidency. Anybody more effective, and where do you think we'd be right now?

By the way, it took Newt Gingrich invoking the party to stick to its principles in order to take the country back.

Don't sacrifice your principles on the altar of fear and expediency.

What was that line? - "A people willing to trade freedom for safety deserves neither."
528 posted on 01/05/2004 10:40:09 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Only those who dare truly live - CGA 88 Class Motto)
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