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Police: Boy Likely Died Of Malnutrition-4 yr old weighed 16 pounds when he died Christmas Day
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Posted on 12/30/2003 6:15:12 AM PST by chance33_98

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To: robertpaulsen
And then the mother would have gotten a job

Yeah. One of those jobs that doesn't care if the worker is a heroin addict.

21 posted on 12/30/2003 8:21:52 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sockmonkey
There's more to this story. It's the law that when CPS receives a report, it is then given a priority. If the caller is vague and can not give any specific info then it is not investigated and the caller is sent a letter stating such, so the story about the worker merely leaving without seeing the child doesn't wash (it's possible but 99.99% unlikely). This sounds like the case here. The aunt probably just called and said something to the effect of the mother isn't taking care of the child or the mother drops the child off at Betty Sue's house while she goes out partying or the mother has boyfriends over at all hours. That sort of info is not specific enough. Yes, the responsibility does fall to the caller to report exactly what is wrong and not talk in generalities. A vague "not taking care of the child properly" doesn't, *by law*, give CPS any rights to investigate. However, if the aunt had specific allegations that the child hadn't had anything to eat since last Saturday at noon, the aunt personally saw there is no food in the home, and the mother was at that moment passed out in the floor from drugs, then DHS could, *by law*, start an investigation. And in any investigation, all children and parents, *by law*, must been seen and spoken with. Of course the aunt couldn't say she personally saw there was no food because the family banned her from seeing the boy, so bottom line is she could not state with authority anything about the condition of the child. She may have been getting her information second or third hand (doesn't wash in court either) from other family members or friends so they should have been the ones to report what they witnessed. They are the ones who failed the child.

CPS gets countless calls from people who get their jollies from turning in their ex and undesirable neighbors. Because the public isn't honest in their reports and there aren't enough workers for the caseload, there have to be rules in place to determine if a report can be opened for investigation. Any caller who is vague or hasn't personally seen the child most likely will not be followed up on. Yes, it's sad that kids sometimes fall through the cracks, but nothing is perfect. If life was perfect parents would love and care for their children properly and there would be no need for CPS. It's also sad that the media only reports those incidences and totally ignores the thousands of kids CPS does indeed save.

It also angers me that people constantly dump on CPS workers. I guarantee that most complainers could not handle the job. It's not pleasant work having to go out at 2 AM to gather up traumatized children who just witnessed one parent blowing the other's head off. It's not fun having to pick your way through rotting garbage that's literally piled to the ceilings of a house leaving only narrow dark trails from room to room. Many times there's roaches and rats and no water and the toilets are filled and the walls are smeared with poo, but the worker must hold down the vomit. Maybe once every few months you're lucky to have a moment to sneak home to shower and scrub your head well and wipe down the car with lysol and chlorox so you can pick up your own kids from school, but usually your kids have to ride in the car with everything.

Because of funding, CPS doesn't make "well baby" visits much anymore. It simply has no time due to the amount of more violent cases. It's only recently that there's been a law about killing a CPS worker. I've been on home visits where the guy would strut around with loaded guns or burst in and threaten to shoot me. Unlike LE, social workers don't have backup so they're on their own to calm down the wackos and druggies. Once in a great while the worker can sweet talk or beg a LE to follow on a known hostile homevisit but they will stay in their patrol car so you're still pretty much on your own behind closed doors.

As in any profession, not all workers are qualified or conscientious, or willing to go the extra mile. However, the vast majority of social workers do care and take a personal interest in their cases. I'm just tired of the constant criticism of CPS from John Q. Public who knows nothing.

22 posted on 12/30/2003 8:37:37 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: All
Attention all Libertarians:

In order to follow the established talking-point guidelines, your responses to this thread must include at least one of the following phrases:

1. This is unfortunate, but...
2. ...anecdotal evidence...
3. ...only after someone who does drugs commits a crime then they should go to jail...
4. ...I'm a Libertarian but I don't like Harry Browne...
5. ...nanny state...

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to your tired old apologetic responses. Carry on.

23 posted on 12/30/2003 8:48:18 AM PST by kidd
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To: mtbopfuyn
I'm just tired of the constant criticism of CPS

I think it is more the widespread perception that we even need a CPS.

In 1960, we called it the 'Welfare Department' and few, if any, people wanted to show their faces there.

Kudos to LBJ, the Democrats and the "Great Society"!

24 posted on 12/30/2003 9:44:12 AM PST by Gritty
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To: sinkspur
"One of those jobs that doesn't care if the worker is a heroin addict."

Could be any job!

Airline pilot, bus driver, ship's Captain. After all, drugs only harm the user, and how dare we pass moral judgement on these people!? This is America!

Now, if the heroin addict crashes the plane, flips the bus, or spills oil over 23,000 square miles, why, then we can hold them responsible. Of course. Just like alcohol.

25 posted on 12/30/2003 10:25:47 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: kidd
6. I'm a small "l" libertarian and that doesn't apply to me.
26 posted on 12/30/2003 10:28:57 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: mtbopfuyn
If the caller is vague and can not give any specific info then it is not investigated and the caller is sent a letter stating such, so the story about the worker merely leaving without seeing the child doesn't wash (it's possible but 99.99% unlikely). This sounds like the case here.

Sitting on the front porch one night, I heard what I first thought was a cat fight. I then realized it wasn't a cat, but a child in the house across the street. Then I could hear hitting sounds..I thought, "oh, I must be crazy." I started counting the sounds, and the child's crying became weaker.

I was crying, too and called the 1 800 child abuse hotline number in the front of my phone book. I counted about 69 "hitting" noises, and the child's cries faded to a whimper.

I can't remember now if the lady at the 1 800 number asked me to call the local police, or if she called them, but I remember her saying, "Don't you go over there."and "make sure the police knock on the door, and that they demand to see the child."

The police came out, and by the time they got there, everything was quiet. They sat in front of the house for a while, and then left. I called the 1 800 number again, and told her the police didn't go up to the door, and I was afraid the child must be dead by now, or seriously injured. The police were called again, but still did nothing. A week later I received a letter from CPS that they had investigated, and found that child abuse/neglect had occurred, and that they deemed no follow up was needed. I called CPS, and was told that the mother admitted to hitting the child, but said she wouldn't do it anymore.

I live in a small town. This child was probably two and a half at the time. About six months later, there was an article on the front page of the paper soliciting donations for medical care for this child's medical treatment, as he had all kinds of physical problems with his digestion. I figured his problems were caused by having been beaten by his parents.

CPS took the word of an abuser that they wouldn't hit their child anymore after one visit, and no follow-ups. Oh, yes, poor maligned CPS.

27 posted on 12/30/2003 11:14:28 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: chance33_98
Oh this is sooooo sad!
28 posted on 12/30/2003 11:32:58 AM PST by netmilsmom (No PC censorship of classics - Sunflower the "Lost" Disney centaurette-see my profile page.)
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To: kidd; robertpaulsen
7. We all have to go sometime.
8. The freewill of the mother is paramount to any other consideration, since laws somehow thwart freewill.
9. We abhor the initiation of force and fraud, so long as it is the weak oppressing the strong, or the guileless defrauding the clever.
29 posted on 12/30/2003 11:37:47 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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