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Saudi plot has Flight 800 implications
WorldNetDaily ^ | Dec 30, 2003 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 12/30/2003 1:45:22 AM PST by hotpotato

Last Saturday, the Mail on Sunday, a British newspaper, credibly reported a Saudi terrorist plot that may well have implications for understanding the destruction of TWA Flight 800.

According to the Mail, Saudi authorities arrested two pilots who were preparing to fly two light aircraft, each loaded with explosives, into a passenger plane. Apparently, they were stopped while on the flight-line at an airport near Riyadh, the Saudi Arabian capital. Details are sketchy because the Saudis have allegedly attempted to withhold information from authorities abroad.

"These terrorists are potent and inventive and I very much hope the British government will take note of these developments," Patrick Mercer, the opposition Conservative spokesman for British Homeland Security, told the Mail. "They must defend our airspace and issue timely, accurate and meaningful warnings to both airlines and passengers."

If the Saudis covered up an attempted mid-air bombing, they may not have been the first to do so. In our book "First Strike," James Sanders and I make the case that U.S. Navy missiles intercepted a terrorist plane packed with explosives on a mission comparable to the one planned by the captured Saudi pilots. We believe the resulting explosion devastated the doomed 747, which was then in close proximity.

We learned of the flying bomb scenario after Sept. 11 from at least two sources within the military, in each case discreetly and indirectly. Although there are other plausible missile-based scenarios to explain TWA 800's destruction, we found enough substantiation of this one in the public record – especially in the FBI eyewitness statements and our own interviews – to present it in our book as the most likely.

We were well into our research before we realized that the Philippine police had uncovered plans for the use of small planes as flying bombs as early as December 1994 and shared them with the FBI in January 1995. The man responsible for those plans, Ramzi Yousef, was on trial in New York City on July 17, 1996, the day of TWA 800's undoing, which also just happened to be Iraq's National Liberation day.

Col. Buzz Patterson, in his best-seller, "Dereliction of Duty," reveals that President Clinton had carefully reviewed these same plans in the "late summer" of 1996, which would have been soon after the demise of Flight 800.

This scenario makes sense of at least two other variables. One is the insistence by FBI honcho James Kallstrom that a "bomb" destroyed TWA Flight 800. The second is Clinton aide George Stephanopoulos' spontaneous on-air comment to Peter Jennings on that fateful Sept. 11 in which he talked about the second, less-public "situation room" in the White House.

"In my time at the White House," Stephanopoulos told Jennings, "it was used in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, in the aftermath of the TWA Flight 800 bombing, and that would be the way they would stay in contact through the afternoon."

Although the situation room was a busy place on the night of July 17, 1996, the president himself was elsewhere. Col. Patterson, in my conversation with him, confirmed that Clinton holed up in "the residence," the White House family quarters. Patterson is in a position to know. He carried the nuclear football for the president and that night was in the White House, though clearly out of the loop.

Ray Lahr, the retired United Airline captain suing the National Transportation Safety Board, is actively looking for those who were in the loop that night, particularly the crew of the Navy P-3 Orion, which was just a mile or two away at the time of the crash.

The P-3 crew and a few others have the potential to end seven years of speculation by sharing with the world what they saw and know. If they continue to remain silent, however, the United States continues to lose its credibility when it comes to the war on terror.

We can scarcely criticize Saudi Arabia for suppressing information when we have done worse.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabia; explosives; planes; plot; saudi; saudiarabia; terror; twa800
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1 posted on 12/30/2003 1:45:22 AM PST by hotpotato
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The man responsible for those plans, Ramzi Yousef, was on trial in New York City on July 17, 1996, the day of TWA 800's undoing, which also just happened to be Iraq's National Liberation day.

Col. Buzz Patterson, in his best-seller, "Dereliction of Duty," reveals that President Clinton had carefully reviewed these same plans in the "late summer" of 1996, which would have been soon after the demise of Flight 800.

2 posted on 12/30/2003 1:54:51 AM PST by kcvl
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To: hotpotato
Situation Room, Bill Clinton served his staff—including Madeleine Albright and Warren Christopher—veggieburgers and fries, not the hamburgers they expected.

White House staffers remember using the room for purposes other than national security. Leon Fuerth, Al Gore’s national-security adviser, called for directions to his Manhattan hotel. Bohn kept a phone with a secure line to the room in the basement safe of his home. One Christmas Eve, he took his sons and two of their cousins to the safe and called the North Pole: “The forewarned Signal operator played Santa Claus and listened to the kids’ wish list. . . .”
3 posted on 12/30/2003 1:59:09 AM PST by kcvl
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To: hotpotato
THE "BOMBING" OF TWA 800

Reed Irvine
Chairman, Accuracy in Media

September 19, 2001


"There are facilities in the White House, not the normal situation room, which everyone has seen in the past, has seen pictures of. There is a second situation room, behind the primary situation room, which has video conferencing capabilities. The director of the Pentagon, the defense chief, can speak from a national military command center at the Pentagon. The Secretary of State can speak from the State Department, the President from wherever he is, and they’ll have this capability for video conferencing throughout this crisis. In my time at the White House it was used in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, in the aftermath of the TWA Flight 800 bombing, and that would be the way they would stay in contact through the afternoon."

The TWA Flight 800 bombing? Peter Jennings, the anchorman for ABC’s "World News Tonight," didn’t bat an eyelash.



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4 posted on 12/30/2003 2:04:24 AM PST by kcvl
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To: hotpotato
What is he saying, that a rogue bomb-laden aircraft flew close enough to TWA 800 to blow both aircraft out of the sky?

Even without a transponder on the unidentified aircraft the radar tapes would show that blip.
5 posted on 12/30/2003 2:06:36 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: hotpotato
Clinton Can’t Recall $1 Million Riady Offer

Tuesday, July 25, 2000

Clinton denying that he took Riady into the White House Situation Room in 1993, on the day that federal agents raided the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Texas. Investigators said that Riady told such anecdotes to give Indonesian government officials the impression that his family "had a direct pipeline to the Oval Office."

6 posted on 12/30/2003 2:07:32 AM PST by kcvl
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To: leadpenny
On July 17, 1996 TWA Flight 800 exploded in the air shortly after takeoff from the JFK Airport in New York. Although many experts agree that there is ample proof of a ground-to-air missle bringing down TWA Flight 800; the US government denied that this was a terrorist act. There were over 90 eyewitnesses who reported seeing a fireflash starting at ground level, then leaving a trail of fire as it travelled to the airliner where it exploded on impact. Prior to this tragedy there had been other reports involving near-misses of other airliners. The following are the 169 Americans who lost their lives on that sad day.


http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stands/5008/TWA800.html
7 posted on 12/30/2003 2:11:15 AM PST by kcvl
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To: leadpenny
What radar tapes......?
8 posted on 12/30/2003 2:12:48 AM PST by eastforker (Money is the key to justice,just ask any lawyer.)
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To: kcvl
One of two things, either Mercer is lying or he let some classified info out of the bag.
9 posted on 12/30/2003 2:15:10 AM PST by eastforker (Money is the key to justice,just ask any lawyer.)
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To: hotpotato
TWA Flight 800: A mother's letter

Posted: June 19, 2003

During the entire time I was in New York, I knew that TWA800 was taken down by a terrorist organization. While at the hotel, I frequently spoke to James Kallstrom, the head of the FBI in New York, and he told me he too felt it was an act of terrorism.


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10 posted on 12/30/2003 2:16:19 AM PST by kcvl
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To: eastforker
Plenty of radar tapes in that area, I would think. I believe the main ATC control is called something like Tri-Con. In addition, at 14,000' NY Center would have tapes. There may be others.
11 posted on 12/30/2003 2:20:01 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: hotpotato
TWA 800: Who knew what, when

Posted: February 14, 2003


We began our book with the following scarily prophetic 1999 quote from Yossef Bodansky, the director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare.


The case of TWA 800 served as a turning point because of Washington's determination and, to a great extent, ability to suppress terrorist explanations and "float" mechanical-failure theories. To avoid such suppression after future strikes, terrorism-sponsoring states would raise the ante so that the West cannot ignore them.


The following excerpt comes from his 2000 book, "Selling Out America."


Intelligence sources that I had developed in Iran had been warning for several weeks prior to the bombing that the intelligence service of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps was planning an attack on a U.S. civilian airliner – warnings I took seriously enough to transmit to U.S. officials at the FAA, the State Department, the FBI and the CIA. (Later, I could only shake my head when the Clinton administration claimed they had received "no warning" prior to TWA 800, which has now been officially labeled an accident due to a center-fuel-tank explosion, not a terrorist attack.)




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12 posted on 12/30/2003 2:20:31 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl
I've always had the theory of a missile from some kind of high speed water craft. It could have been miles away and scuttled by the time authorities caught their breath.
13 posted on 12/30/2003 2:24:04 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
Oh, those tapes, the ones they won't let anybody look at you mean.During the investigation the only thing they would reveal was a video done by the FBI/NTSB trying to show what happened and it is widely disputed by many airline pilots.
14 posted on 12/30/2003 2:24:19 AM PST by eastforker (Money is the key to justice,just ask any lawyer.)
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To: eastforker
Yes. I think the CIA was in on making that re-enactment tape and may have even taken the lead.
15 posted on 12/30/2003 2:28:12 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
He's saying that we tried shooting down the smaller plane, but TWA took the hit.
16 posted on 12/30/2003 2:28:51 AM PST by gracex7 (The LORD is not slack concerning His promise....but is longsuffering to us-ward. 2 Peter 3:9)
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To: eastforker
We can provide your attorney's with witnesses, documents, or

reference material that will support the following text:

White House knowledge of a threat prior to the loss of TWA

Flight 800.



1. The Administration knew that in 1996, surrogates from rogue

states had access to MANPADS (Man Portable Air Defense

Systems) or shoulder-fired missiles in mid-eastern weapons

bazaars. $5,000 would acquire the least capable model, the

Russian SA-7. $50,000 would buy the most capable, the Chinese

Vanguard, a deadly new missile upgraded from US Stinger

technology transferred to the Chinese in the early 90's. Superior to

the Stinger, this missile has a much longer range. The

Administration also knew Iran had a limited number of US Stinger

missiles in inventory.



2. The Administration was aware that, worldwide, MANPADS

missiles had already claimed 26 civil transport aircraft and was

only a matter of time before a U.S. Flag carrier would be targeted

and hit. They knew the Administration had dodged a bullet in

1994 when Maryland State Police found a fully armed French

Mistral MANPADS missile ready to fire on its tripod directly

under a busy northeastern air route.



3. In response to sanctions unilaterally levied against Iran by Mr.

Clinton in 1995, Iranian surrogate's car bombed US troops in

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and later smuggled MANPADS missiles into

the US from across the Canadian border. Iranian officials warned

the Administration that they considered enactment of the

Iran/Libya Sanctions Act tantamount to an act of war!



4. When Mr. Clinton signed the Iran, Libya Sanctions Act of

1996, a decision was made by the Iranian Supreme Council to

approve attacks on major American targets. Terrorist surrogate

groups from nine countries were summoned to Tehran to meet

with Iranian officials in June of 1996. Later that month, a huge

truck bomb was deployed against the US Air Force barracks

complex at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia. Three weeks later,

TWA Flight 800 was shot down only hours after an explicit

warning of an attack was received in London and Washington that

taunted the President.



5. The White House, the CIA and the FBI were aware of the

threat and they knew preventing that attack was their primary

responsibility.



6. We can show the Administration anticipated incorrectly that, if

the missiles were used, they would be targeted against Olympic air

traffic landing or taking off in the Atlanta area.



7. We can provide testimony that immediately after Flight 800 was

shot down, Mr. Clinton called an FBI command post supporting

the Olympics and informed them Flight 800 was downed with

shoulder-fired missiles.



8. The White House, the CIA and the FBI political leadership have

waged an unrelenting disinformation campaign from the onset.

This has ranged from the White House spokesman stating,

"Anyone in government that says this was a missile only has half a

brain", and to the CIA cartoon that libeled hundreds of

eyewitnesses.



Witnesses or "Untouchables"?



1. The day after Flight 800 was shot down, the Justice

Department, helped by 1,000 FBI agents, began the process of

converting hundreds of witnesses into the first American

"untouchable cast". The political leadership of the NTSB aborted

its mission in one surrender of its responsibilities after another.

When the Justice Department illegally ordered the NTSB crash

investigators to have no contact with witnesses or their statements,

and the NTSB complied, the investigation was over, the cover-up

and Misprision of Felony Homicide had begun.



2. At the NTSB Public Hearing in December of 1997, the word

"witnesses" was not even mentioned. Before and since, they have

been ridiculed, slandered and liabled in official videotapes and

statements made by government spokesmen.



3. On March 15, 1999 the derailment of the Spirit of New Orleans

after she hit a steel truck at a railroad crossing in Bourbonnaise IL,

prompted a media wide call for witnesses by NTSB officials. It

seems a witness was needed to prove the truck had driven around

the safety gate. Apparently, investigations are much simpler and

witnesses more creditable for the NTSB when there is no White

House interest.



4. We have access to 107 witnesses on 4 aircraft, 19 boats, and 31

locations ashore. They were located in a 360 circle around the

missile engagement. Their live testimony alone will prove the

aircraft was shot down. This is why the Justice Department has

kept air crash investigators away from witnesses for 2 1/2 years

and also one reason they are conducting a malicious show-trial

prosecution of author and outside investigator James Sanders and

his wife. It's hard to interview witnesses from a Federal prison.

The FBI failed to identify and interview 17 of these people.

Among these 17 are witnesses on a boat who may have seen the

escaping shooter.



Justice Department suppression of Missile Evidence



1. It appears, aggressive FBI missile-team field agents eventually

solved the problem as to the cause of the crash, but had no support

in the FBI leadership. In fact, the FBI leadership seems to have

deliberately withheld vital information from their own agents.



2. George Gabrial, the senior FBI Agent on Long Island and

personal friend of Mr. Kalstrom, was a close witness on his boat.

We can provide witnesses who overheard him say he believed

what he observed was a missile. FBI missile-team members did not

know he was a witness until we informed them.



3. The FBI has videotape that was shown to military experts of a

missile shot from off the coast of Long Island that failed to engage

a target. This first attempt was nearly coincidental to the Khobar

Towers attack 3 weeks before Flight 800’s loss.



4. By late September, 1996, FBI missile-team members had

established informal liaison with military missile guidance experts.

By that time the FBI knew witnesses at sea on all sides were

pointing to a missile launch a few miles southeast of Flight 800's

explosion point. What they observed fit the profile of a

MANPADS missile engagement.



5. In December 1996, FBI missile team members told military

experts that two separate commercial fishermen dredged up and

threw back a MANPADS first stage, the missile ejector-motor can.

The ejector motor, about the size of a Coke can, fires in the tube,

ejecting the missile, then drops in the water when the missile 2nd

stage booster ignites.



6. The fishing vessel Alpha Omega recovered one of these motor

cans in early October, 1996, while trawling for scallops about 2

nautical miles from Flight 800's explosion point. The crewman, not

realizing the importance of his find, noted the two distinctive

ignition wires attached to the can before he threw it overboard.



7. Despite overwhelming forensic evidence of a weapon impact in

the number 2 main tank of the left wing and witness testimony of a

missile attack, the Administration would not fund military missile

experts or allow the FBI to trawl for missile parts until after the

November 1996 elections.



MUCH, MUCH MORE....


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17 posted on 12/30/2003 2:29:58 AM PST by kcvl
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To: gracex7
With a P-3?
18 posted on 12/30/2003 2:30:25 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
We have a witness that has passed a polygraph test and has

provided a sworn affidavit that a member of the NTSB leadership

told him the recorders were found and examined by 20 July. The

Coast Guard told both TWA maintenance and Congressman

Forbes that the recorders were found on 18 July. The next day, 19

July, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence was told the

aircraft was shot down by terrorists. Senators Hatch and D'Amato

made public statements to the same effect.

19 posted on 12/30/2003 2:36:47 AM PST by kcvl
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To: eastforker; leadpenny
WE WILL NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH DAMAGE THE CLINTONS AND THEIR CRIMINAL GANG DID TO THIS COUNTRY OR HOW MUCH HAS BEEN COVERED UP BY BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES!!!


The July 16th USA Today, published on the eve of the tragedy’s third anniversary, reported that Bill Clinton "was ready to strike back at Middle East terrorists if they could be linked to the explosion of TWA Flight 800," but that no strike occurred because "the FBI never made the connection."

According to Associated Press correspondent Pat Milton, author of In the Blink of an Eye: The FBI Investigation of TWA Flight 800, one of the chief suspects was renegade Saudi terrorist financier Osama bin Laden, who is suspected of plotting the 1996 attack on Saudi Arabia’s Khobar Towers barracks, which killed 19 U.S. servicemen and wounded another 250.

Bin Laden has also been accused of masterminding the August 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. And, lest it be forgotten, bin Laden has provided financial and material support to the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army, the drug-dealing Muslim/Marxist terrorists who were NATO’s allies in the war on Yugoslavia.

USA Today also pointed out that "weeks before the crash [of TWA 800], Clinton had placed the United States on its highest state of alert since the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. This was because the White House had received classified intelligence reports that Iran was planning a wave of terrorist attacks against the United States."

Bin Laden is tightly allied both with Iran and with anti-American elements of the Afghan Mujahadeen guerillas who were provided with Stinger missiles during the war against the Soviets.

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