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An Alternative to the Federal Marriage Amendment
MensNewsDaily.com ^ | December 29, 2003 | Roger F. Gay

Posted on 12/29/2003 12:42:15 PM PST by RogerFGay


An Alternative to the Federal Marriage Amendment

December 29, 2003


by Roger F. Gay

From a legal perspective, marriage and family were redefined years before the current controversy over same-sex marriage began. The "original sin" (so to speak) was the transformation of marriage and family law into "social policy." Social policy is purely a political product, defined and controlled by government. The only viable response to the current treatment of marriage and family law is to return marriage and family to its protected status as an essential human institution, disallowing arbitrary political manipulation.

An essential step in the reclamation process has already been described in Fathers Rights? In defense of family and other fundamental rights.</a> The article points to a critical case from Georgia that received far less press coverage than the more recent decisions on same-sex marriage. Yet the contrast between the lower court decision in favor of applying individual rights in family law and the Georgia Supreme Court decision to ignore the constitution in favor of purely political treatment defines the entire problem.

The Georgia Supreme Court supported the notion that family issues are not related to sacred or essential human activity. Family issues are not even private issues subject to individual rights. They went even farther than that. In relation to family issues, government control is absolute. There is no area of life that requires any sort of check or balance against arbitrary government intrusion; not in redistributing income or property, or creating and assigning debt. There is in addition, no need to respect the separation of powers between branches of government, or to exclude conflicting third party special interests from unduly influencing or even controlling decisions by courts.

The tendency of so-called "conservative" groups to ignore the redefinition of marriage and family over the past decade has been overwhelming. I recall Gary Bauer  (ca. 1991) facing off against Rep. Tom Downey (D-NY) on the issue of child support enforcement legislation. At the time, Gary Bauer was head of the Family Research Council, an organization that has done no family research that I know of. Democrats controlled the House and Downey was making it emotionally clear that anyone who did not support his child support enforcement initiatives was his enemy. Despite the fact that a rather obvious political war against marriage and family was being spearheaded against fathers, and child support was the primary weapon (Downey one of the  generals), Bauer explained that child support was just not his issue.

In 1992, Gary Bauer appeared in another hearing headed by Tom Downey, this time on Downey's government assured child support benefit. Bauer took a position in favor of stronger child support enforcement; in effect, supporting the political war against marriage and family. His price for that support was apparently an increased tax break for married couples. Despite the name of the organization he worked for (Family Research Council), this seemed to be the single issue of interest other than helping Republicans get elected. Bauer is now head of an organization called "American Values," a political interest group which similarly appears to have no interest in core American political values.

The "Institute for American Values" is the counterpart of "American Values." While espousing what appear to be socially conservative positions, it supports Democrats and is even more openly hostile to individual rights. "Affiliate scholar" for the organization, Tom Sylvester recently took part in a roundtable discussion at MensNewsDaily.com entitled Fathers' Rights and the Marriage Movement in which he presented fundamental rights as just an alternative policy choice. When confronted about the absence of distinction he confessed that he did not understand the argument. One wonders how a man can become an affiliate scholar for an organization called the "Institute for American Values" without having a clue about what the core American values are.

Anyone who still doesn't get it should consider the 1996  federal Defense of Marriage Act, which says that states don't have to recognize same-sex "marriages" granted in other states. After more than a quarter century of federal intrusion that led to the transformation of marriage and family issues from sacred and essential human institutions to mere social policy, the act leaves further redefinition, essential to sorting out the chaos, to the states. All state courts will find it quite difficult to deny equal treatment under laws that have no connection to anything more than an invention of government. (The Massachusetts decision on same-sex marriage made it clear that the court regards marriage as nothing more; its definition purely an artificial political choice. This is a general result of the federal intrusion into marriage and family policy over the past quarter century.) Besides that, everyone agrees that the federal Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional, and was therefore never a serious attempt to solve the problem. The two parties and their support groups worked toward the demise of marriage as we knew it and even now are doing nothing to preserve marriage and family.

The suggestion to amend the constitution to preserve marriage by defining it as a union between a man and a women is yet another way to avoid the core problem; the fact that marriage and family has already been ripped from its natural and cultural roots by Congress. After years of waiting to see what courts decide, and then years to carry out the difficult process required for such an amendment, it is unlikely that it will pass. Groups favoring same-sex marriage will carry out a professional campaign against it, while most conservatives who get public attention tend to be so burdened with historical support for anti-family policy that they will be unable to put together two coherent sentences in support.

There is really only one set of people that is emotionally and intellectually equipped to lead a defense of family movement; fathers. (On this point; see also Divorced Dads: Family Champions) After decades of feminist myth, family researchers and political pundits have finally gotten around to admitting that fathers are important. But even now they often grope for specifics, suggesting studies and experiments to define the role of fathers in families. Meanwhile, fathers have been acting like fathers in spite of people who don't know what it means. Even when surrounded by the strange events and ideas that we have encountered over the past quarter century of anti-family politics, we still find a way to defend the family. My suggestion to "conservative" (or other) groups that are serious about the defense of marriage is to either support us or get out of the way.

Roger F. Gay


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Roger F. Gay is a professional analyst and director of Project for the Improvement of Child Support Litigation Technology. Other articles by Roger F. Gay can be found at Fathering Magazine and the MND archive.


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To: NutCrackerBoy
I'm not singling out anyone. Just stating that there are a lot of valid reasons why many of us may have a hard time standing up for an institution that has been used to cause many of us a lot of grief, while many more people stood back and did nothing to stop it. Some even scoffed at us and even said we deserved it while it was happening.
21 posted on 12/29/2003 4:04:59 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: jwalsh07
Whoever would vote for the amendment - D or R - needs to be put right on the spot: "Why are you voting for this amendment?" Is it because he actually believes that the Constitution truly does, as the judges said, protect gay marriage? If the answer's yes, then he should be laughed out of town. Is it then because he believes that the judges made a glaringly awful ruling? If yes, then we should demand to know why he's not voting to impeach. If the ruling is so bad that he feels the need to amend the Constitution to correct it, how can he let the judges face no consequences for their arrogance?
22 posted on 12/29/2003 4:13:13 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: Orangedog
There's much more at stake here than marriage. If judges are allowed to get away with this, they'll just get worse and worse, and the problems you face with the courts will be that much further beyond your ability to do anything about it.

I'm not sure what exactly motivates you to be on this board, but I'm assuming you believe in constitutional government. That's what I'm fighting for when I'm calling for the impeachment of the judges who made this, and many other abominable rulings on a whole range of subjects.

So what are you fighting for, if you don't mind my asking?

23 posted on 12/29/2003 4:19:05 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: jwalsh07
I forgot to comment on the second half of your post. I have no objection to reining in the power of federal courts under Article III, but we shouldn't be surprised if they deem that unconstitutional. There may even be some justification for that, since Article III grants jurisdiction to federal courts "in all cases" arising under the laws, treaties, and Constitution. I've heard constitutional lawyers advance that argument, the theory being that while Congress may withhold jurisdiction from particular courts, even the supreme, jurisdiction must be exercised by some federal court. I'm a bit skeptical of it myself, but in any case, if the courts rule that way, we'd be right back where we started.
24 posted on 12/29/2003 4:30:04 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: Orangedog
I'm not cheering on anybody if the truth be told. I am jeering at judicial tyranny in all its forms. I welcome you to join me.
25 posted on 12/29/2003 5:36:19 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: inquest
So what are you fighting for, if you don't mind my asking?

I don't fight for too much anymore. I used to try and tell people about how the divorce industry is wrecking families and turning dads into people who are to shut-up and pay-up. I've tried to tell people how the no-fault divorce laws have corrupted the courts and have a vested interest in evicting fathers from the lives of their children...how this monster is wrecking the country and western civilization. After the better part of a decade, I've come to see that society falls into two groups: those that it has happened to and those that it has not. The group that has not been put through the wringer don't have much use for the plight of those that it has happened to. A lot of us complain about it, but both political parties see the first group as politcal lepars because society has been conditioned to consider fathers who complain about it as being deadbeats or manipulative stalkers. Nothing will happen on the state level because the feds hand out $4 billion a year to the states to maintain the status quo. Now that the homosexuals are trying to mussle in on the action, the Right (in general) gets all worked up. Meanwhile, us chumps who have been on the business end of "public policy" for 30 years since no-fault came into being are once again being ignored. You know why there hasn't been a groudswell of men fighting to end this nonsense with the divorce courts and custody laws? Because after spending the better part of two decades fighting for our rights to be fathers and just being dismissed as deadbeats and manipulators, eventually our kids grow up. And after spending that much of our lives as second class citizens, most of us are just too damned tired from the abuse, we just want to put it behind us and get on with whats left of our lives and maybe get over the bitterness of what we were robbed of. I'm no more fond of the queers and their agenda than you are. But what marriage has become isn't something that a lot of us are going to fight for. When people really want to change the rules and make marriage what it used to be, then you won't need to rally the forces to fight for it. It will be able to take care of itself again, like it used to be. Why would anyone screwed over by the dark side of this institution (or what's left of it) want to fight to save it? Sure, I'm bitter...maybe to the point of it being toxic. But can you really blame me for that?

26 posted on 12/29/2003 7:15:47 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: jwalsh07
I'm not cheering on anybody if the truth be told. I am jeering at judicial tyranny in all its forms. I welcome you to join me.

I hear ya, brother. I'm there with you in that fight on a lot of fronts. There are a lot of judges that need to be removed from the bench and you've got my vote to remove every damn one of them. I just see this amendment to "protect marriage" as putting the cart before the horse.

27 posted on 12/29/2003 7:22:41 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: Americana Belle
Ping
28 posted on 12/29/2003 7:28:34 PM PST by EdReform
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To: Orangedog
As an unmarried man I'm not in much of a position of authority on what you've faced. All I can tell you is that you can't allow yourself to spend the rest of your life a defeated man. I'm not even talking about politics anymore. I'm talking about you. It looks like you're suffering from the same syndrome that slaves on the old plantations were afflicted with: A black cloud over your head, that represents the accumulated mass of pejorative soot that everyone else says about you and people in your condition. That cloud is being generated by nothing other than your own mind. It's your mind that can shut it off, right at this very moment.

It has to be done.

29 posted on 12/29/2003 7:42:56 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: RogerFGay
There is no reason not to attack on all fronts.

The issue has become federal because of Full Faith and Credit. The 1996 Fed. DOMA will not stand against any number of agenda judges. It only take one back room judge to deal the blow. What happens when the next family court judge, who is a closet homosexual, decides to "take a stand." (Do you know which judge was the homosexual during the 2000 race?)

Putting it in black letter law shuts the judges down. It defines the debate to those who only worship the state.

I do agree that Fatherhood MUST be emphasised. The only way for that to happen is to have divorce be a real negative consequece for mothers. No more divorce as the cash out value of a marriage. Infidelity should be a factor. Give them the no fault divorce, just put a penalty.

How about abolishing permanent alimony? No rehabilitative alimony beyond five years.

Does anyone know what happened in the state that adopted the "enhanced" harder to get a divorce type marriage?
30 posted on 12/29/2003 8:56:08 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Looking for Diogenes
It is needed on all fronts.

How about ending federal matching funds for child support collection through support enforcement?
31 posted on 12/29/2003 8:58:43 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
How about ending federal matching funds for child support collection through support enforcement?

We know how that bill would fare in the house and senate. Whoever introduced it would be accused of wanting to take food out of kids' mouths and then the bill would be pulled. More likely is that it would never be introduced. Remember what happened when they tried to get the school lunch program under control in 1995? The states aren't just going to let go of all that federal graft.

Something needs to be done, but I don't think that ANY of the current congress-critters have to foresight or the stones to try it.

32 posted on 12/29/2003 9:30:43 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: NutCrackerBoy
The plight of fathers under today's social policies is very real, but I do not agree with the notion that this sort of thing should be placed fundamentally out of the reach of government.

You apparently do not understand what's happened. We have had government involvement in marriage / divorce for more than 200 years, since the country's very beginning. People could go to court and file private suits against one another for enforcement of rights related to marriage and family.

Something really really big started 25 years ago, went hyper in the 1990s, and took us to where we are today. As this articles and others point out, it was a transition from marriage and family as a private issue -- which does not mean that there cannot be family law -- but it does mean that there are limits to government intrusion -- that government must respect the institution of marriage and family and the rights of individuals -- to marriage and family as "social policy" -- meaning that marriage and family have no real meaning that government must respect, but that they are treated legally as the same kind of institution as welfare payments -- it's simply a government invention -- government is not required to respect the institution or the individuals involved -- government can manipulate, modify, or abolish any and all of it at any time.

Your comment measures the difference on the wrong scale.
33 posted on 12/30/2003 8:02:02 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: Looking for Diogenes
Folks talk a lot about "Defending Marriage" by banning same-sex marriage. This author points out that the greatest harm to marriage comes from the current divorce and custody laws. That is where reform is most urgently needed and it requires no constitutional amendments.

You got it in one. And I am certain that the problems marriage defenders are worried about today came directly from the problems created by federal involvement in divorce and custody.
34 posted on 12/30/2003 8:04:14 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
Some so-called conservatives are looking for an alternative to the marriage amendment.These people are just weaklings and worried about a few votes from an overblown(pun intended)minority.We have to stop listening to people like this and have the amendment anyway to lock this crap up once and for all.The amendment should be worded so strictly that their will be NO OTHER INTERPRETATION!!

No other interpretation? For another, much more reasonable interpretation, try reading the article and articles at the links within the article.
35 posted on 12/30/2003 8:05:31 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: longtermmemmory
I do agree that Fatherhood MUST be emphasised. The only way for that to happen is to have divorce be a real negative consequece for mothers. No more divorce as the cash out value of a marriage. Infidelity should be a factor. Give them the no fault divorce, just put a penalty.

How about abolishing permanent alimony? No rehabilitative alimony beyond five years.


I think your assumptions might be on the wrong scale. In the 1990s, federal reforms made divorce extremely profitable for women with children. Return basic constitutional rights to the equation (due process), eliminate the rewards, and work things out in a reasonable way -- according to need and ability.
36 posted on 12/30/2003 8:08:59 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: jwalsh07
Reform of marriage and the redfining of marriage are not mutually inclusive. Marriage law can be reformed while maintaing the meaning of the word.

The author points out that your argument comes too late. Marriage law has already been reformed, and the legal meaning of marriage and family has been dramatically altered.
37 posted on 12/30/2003 8:12:53 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: NutCrackerBoy
I don't know whether or not I am a member of "the defense of marriage crowd," I am just an Internet forum participant. That said, marriage is still at this moment something that matters, and I am more than amenable to reforms. Unfortunately, this piece here did not give me a clear sense of where the reform battleground is and how it relates to the marriage redefinition problem.

Marriage and family law has been moved from private (civil) law to public "social" policy. Legally, that transformation is one of the most dramatic I can imagine. It's legal treatment is now entirely different. Under current law, the Mass court was not wrong in treating marriage and family as inventions of government. They would not have made the same decision even a decade ago, since at that time, marriage and family were still private issues.

BTW: I don't think it was coincidence that the Mass decision came less than a month after the critical case I mentioned (linked to a more detailed article on it) was rejected by the USSC. That, as I explained (moreso in the linked article) sealed the fate of marriage as a public institution.
38 posted on 12/30/2003 8:18:52 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: inquest
Who do you trust to decide which judges are not acting as the constitution demands? Over the past two decades, both parties in Congress have been fighting the judiciary to expand their own power. Our Constitution in fact, makes the three branches separate but EQUAL, in order to provide checks and balances. So who's going to decide which judges to throw off the bench when they don't agree with a ruling.
39 posted on 12/30/2003 8:21:19 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
So who's going to decide which judges to throw off the bench when they don't agree with a ruling.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with that question. The Constitution outlines the procedure for impeachment.

40 posted on 12/30/2003 10:19:16 AM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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