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To: NittanyLion; Mulder
I believe both of those points were minor compared to his whining about Ridge and the Patriot Act. But, let's include him in this discussion.

What issues does he have with Ridge?

What specifically about the Patriot Act concern him? Has there been any activity which has supported his concern?

Securing borders? Great idea. How? How much will it cost? Who will do it? What time frame?

351 posted on 12/29/2003 1:07:06 PM PST by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
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To: Solson; NittanyLion
What issues does he have with Ridge?

He's an anti-gun buearacratic control freak.

What specifically about the Patriot Act concern him?

Section 802 defines terrorism as anything that endagers human life and is a violation of law, so now speeding qualifies as "terrorism" under the law.

The sneak and peak provisions, expanded power of gov't to get information without a warrant, reduced accountability to Congress, etc....

Nat Hentoff and James Bovard have written far more detailed and damning books about the Patriot Act.

Has there been any activity which has supported his concern?

Well, the feds said they would use the Act for only "terrorism" but have since used it for other non-terrorism cases. 3 States and over 200 cities (actually I think it's more like 400) are so concerned that they've passed resolutions against it.

Securing borders? Great idea. How? How much will it cost? Who will do it? What time frame?

Why does it matter? Cost is no barrier to this adminstration.

It would certainly cost less than a new prescription drug benefit, or funding the United Nations, or new spending on federal education.

430 posted on 12/29/2003 1:54:09 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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