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Principle Before Party
Sierra Times ^ | Tom DeWeese

Posted on 12/29/2003 8:45:05 AM PST by Sir Gawain

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Other than his implied opinion on the war, I concur.
1 posted on 12/29/2003 8:45:06 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: AAABEST; Abundy; Uncle Bill; billbears; Victoria Delsoul; Fiddlstix; fporretto; Free Vulcan; ...
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2 posted on 12/29/2003 8:45:40 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain

Conservatives, Libertarians, Americans who believe that the Constitution was and is the best document yet devised to protect human liberty, it’s time to come out of your trance and begin anew the fight for "principle before party." It is not wrong for you to oppose these actions. It is not wrong to speak ill of a Party that has lost its way. It is not treason to oppose these outrageous excesses of the Republican Party. Indeed, it may be treason if you do not.

3 posted on 12/29/2003 8:54:14 AM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Sir Gawain
Yep. The author was going great until he started into the Homeland Security bit...but that doesn't detract from the fact that the remainder of the article is spot-on accurate.
4 posted on 12/29/2003 8:57:18 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Sir Gawain
Bump to read later comments.

This ought to get good.

5 posted on 12/29/2003 9:04:05 AM PST by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Sir Gawain
ALL government, left to grow has ALWAYS gone bad. Ours' is just another example of that fact. Sad to say, but very true. The Republicans are not to blame, and the Democrats are not to blame. The blame should be placed at the feet of CAREER POLITICIANS. All of them. I am sick and tired of the thought that politics is a family owned business passed down to children. The guilty are Republicans and Democrats alike. Being from Illinois, Cook County, Chicago, I have seen the worst of this. But in the last twenty years it has become a nationwide problem.
6 posted on 12/29/2003 9:06:07 AM PST by LandofLincoln
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To: Sir Gawain
Bump for a great article.
7 posted on 12/29/2003 9:07:15 AM PST by jimt
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To: Sir Gawain
National Greatness and domestic socialism.

What an inspiring combination.
Where have I heard that before?
8 posted on 12/29/2003 9:08:23 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (It's not a blanket amnesty, it's amnistia del serape!)
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To: NittanyLion

started into the Homeland Security bit

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

Remember RICO? see - THE HUMAN LIFE REVIEW

Power Predicts Genocide And Mass Murder First, the more democracy the less the number of its own people the regime will kill for the reasons given. However, these restraints do not well operate in times of hot or cold war, when the military or intelligence services operate in secret, and in their foreign operations are in effect totalitarian enclaves within a democratic structure. This is because in wartime the democracies largely give the military their head, secrecy prevails, wartime controls over the nation are instituted, and it is an open question whether democracies in wartime retain their full democratic character (consider the internment of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during World War II, for example), particularly in their foreign operations.

9 posted on 12/29/2003 9:10:29 AM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Sir Gawain
The problem with PATRIOTISM today is that it refers to LOVE of a government, and not LOVE of a country, or its citizens. I LOVE the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, and I LOVE its CITIZENS. That is PATRIOTISM. I question the things that our government has done, and continues to do. That IS NOT unpatriotic. A PATRIOT is defined in the dictionary as; 1) a fellow countryman. 2)one who loves and loyally or zealously supports one's COUNTRY.

It does not mention government in the dictionary.

10 posted on 12/29/2003 9:13:46 AM PST by LandofLincoln
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To: Sir Gawain
"Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have."

" I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is 'needed' before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' interests, I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can."

--Barry Goldwater, the last Libertarian Republican.

11 posted on 12/29/2003 9:22:32 AM PST by Capitalism2003 (Got principles? http://www.LP.org)
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To: Sir Gawain
The greatest threat to American liberty is still the U.S. Government.

The greatest threat to every people is their own government.

I don't know why this historical fact is constantly forgotten....well, I do - public education.
12 posted on 12/29/2003 9:25:37 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Sir Gawain; azhenfud
According to this new policy, big government isn’t bad – it just depends on who is running it. “We can make government great for the American people as long as we’re in charge” goes the Party line. Three years of complete Republican rule have given us a clear understanding of its meaning. Close inspection will show that this is not your father’s GOP. And it’s not conservative!

This cannot be stated enough. For those happy with the actions of the Republican party, be glad. It's returning to its roots of big government Whig intrusion. For conservatives, now is the time to find another party. I refuse to be taken for granted by a party whose end game is nothing more than a different version of socialist rule than that of the Democrats. I can't tell you daily how 'thrilled' I have become with the idea that 'we won back the Senate'. Fat lot of good it's done

13 posted on 12/29/2003 9:29:38 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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Republicans now have a new agenda. It started with the label of the undefined “compassionate conservatism.”

Thank you George Bush I, Jack Kemp, Bill Bennett, and the rest of the GOP's closeted kumbaya New World Order pansies.

Good post BTW.

14 posted on 12/29/2003 9:36:16 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: LandofLincoln
...The Republicans are not to blame, and the Democrats are not to blame. The blame should be placed at the feet of CAREER POLITICIANS...

Back in '93/94 I read a book called, The Ruling Class: Inside The Imperial Congress, by Eric Felton of the Heritage Foundation. It outlined many problems with Congress at the time. One of the problems was how the Libs ran Congress as an "incumbent machine", first and foremost. Since the Pubs took over, they have been assimilated by this incumbent machine, apparently, overwhelmed by its influence.

I hope I am wrong in saying that the only way to limit the Fed gubmint is to choke the money supply via income tax, if that is ever possible. There was a group of people who were trying to establish, in a legit' way, the invalidity of the ratification of the 16th amendment. I have my doubts. However, if they can prove that, at least, four states did not genuinely ratify that amendment then there is a starting point to reverse the income tax/IRS/withholding/etc., yet only a starting point, IMHO.

15 posted on 12/29/2003 10:04:12 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Islamofascism is a direct result of Nazi influence during WWII)
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To: Sir Gawain
I agree. Tho' i think the verdict is still out on DHS.
16 posted on 12/29/2003 10:28:33 AM PST by sauropod (Excellence in Shameless Self-Promotion)
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To: VRW Conspirator; Sir Gawain
Good article...and very uncannily mirrors the history of a certain...oh, never mind.

Since the Pubs took over, they have been assimilated by this incumbent machine, apparently, overwhelmed by its influence.

Yes, and yet they continue to muck it up and create issues for the other socialist party to re-take the reigns of power. That could reflect the schizophrenic psychology of the party.

17 posted on 12/29/2003 10:29:02 AM PST by Abundy
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To: billbears
Did you notice this?

"The once mighty conservative grassroots activists have been reduced to taken-for-granted pawns, warned to speak no evil of a fellow Republican. Above all, don’t be so childish as to 'stand for principle.' Do so at the risk of finding the label 'extremist' permanently tattooed to your name."

That's exactly what was done to a few conservatives when there was opposition to at a central party's committee endorsing a RINO well before our state primaries and, true to form, those labels and accusations came up. Just like textbook procedures. Yep, "we won back the Senate"; conservatives are certainly no better off.

18 posted on 12/29/2003 10:33:01 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: VRW Conspirator
Our congress has now become a House of Lords. The majority, if not all, is made up of the POLITICAL ELITE. What was suppose to be a bunch of working farmers meeting at least four days per year, has turned into a bunch money-whores who will sell us for $10 if they can have $1. I wish the American voter would wake up.

I hope I am wrong in saying that the only way to limit the Fed gubmint is to choke the money supply via income tax, if that is ever possible. There was a group of people who were trying to establish, in a legit' way, the invalidity of the ratification of the 16th amendment. I have my doubts. However, if they can prove that, at least, four states did not genuinely ratify that amendment then there is a starting point to reverse the income tax/IRS/withholding/etc., yet only a starting point, IMHO.

Wishful thinking VRWC, it will not happen unless those people run for Congress and win, then change the law. See you (most people) do not PAY their taxes. Their taxes are CONFISCATED by your employer. So how do you CHOOSE not to pay? Of course if they billed you like Visa, NONE OF US would ever send in our payment. But, your employer, for the right to be licensed, will ALWAYS CONFISCATE your taxes for the USG>

19 posted on 12/29/2003 10:34:38 AM PST by LandofLincoln
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To: Sir Gawain
Republican Party was also the home of Nelson Rockefeller and the Eastern Establishment elite who advocated their own plans for a welfare state

...and they are winning.

20 posted on 12/29/2003 10:41:22 AM PST by RJCogburn ("I need a good judge."......Lucky Ned Pepper to Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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