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Questions and Answers: What's Wrong With Letting Same-Sex Couples "Marry?"
Family Research Council ^ | DEC 03 | Mr. Peter Sprigg

Posted on 12/28/2003 3:42:30 PM PST by Federalist 78

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Let SOCTUS overturn Defense of Marriage Act /Public Law No: 104-199, 342-67 & 85-14 w/Clinton signature and then impeach their worthless carcasses. That will remove Ginsburg, Souter, Breyer, Stevens, O'Connor, Kennedy. Bush can tell the states to ignore their opinion and appoint their replacements.

Federalist No. 81 ``The authority of the proposed Supreme Court of the United States, which is to be a separate and independent body, will be superior to that of the legislature. The power of construing the laws according to the SPIRIT of the Constitution, will enable that court to mould them into whatever shape it may think proper; especially as its decisions will not be in any manner subject to the revision or correction of the legislative body. This is as unprecedented as it is dangerous. In Britain, the judicial power, in the last resort, resides in the House of Lords, which is a branch of the legislature; and this part of the British government has been imitated in the State constitutions in general. The Parliament of Great Britain, and the legislatures of the several States, can at any time rectify, by law, the exceptionable decisions of their respective courts. But the errors and usurpations of the Supreme Court of the United States will be uncontrollable and remediless.'' This, upon examination, will be found to be made up altogether of false reasoning upon misconceived fact.

Article 3, Section 2, Clause 2 In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
Article III, Section 2 - The Washington Times: Editorials/OP-ED In the 107th Congress (2001-2002), Congress used the authority of Article III, Section 2, clause 2 on 12 occasions to limit the jurisdiction of the federal courts.
Sen. Thomas A. Daschle, South Dakota Democrat, used the exception authority of Article III, 2.2 in order to cut some timber in South Dakota.
Reining In the Court - The New American - July 28, 2003 By simple majority vote, Congress could pass an act denying federal jurisdiction over social issues of any kind, such as abortion, pornography, and homosexuality. This would leave the state legislatures free to enact (or, in most cases, re-enact) laws on those matters reflecting the moral consensus of their constituents. This would leave the well-funded leftist network of legal agitators - the ACLU, et al. - without effective recourse, since they would have no access to their longtime allies in the federal judiciary. Rather than use the judicial system as a detour around representative government, the cultural left would have to contend, on equal terms, in state legislatures.

James Madison, His Legacy: Federalist Papers (FEDERALIST No. 51)

But it is not possible to give to each department an equal power of self-defense. In republican government, the legislative authority necessarily predominates

1 posted on 12/28/2003 3:42:30 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: little jeremiah
Jeremiah, Prophet For over forty years Jeremiah had walked these streets, preaching, warning, entreating the people to return to a real relationship with the true God. For forty years he was predicting this destruction that would come if they insisted on turning their backs on the only One who could protect them. But they wouldn’t listen. Instead they mocked Jeremiah, God’s messenger, they whipped him, they put him in stocks, they threw him into a muddy pit, they put him in prison, they accused him of treason and plotted to kill him. Even his own brother, members of his own family (Jer. 12:6) betrayed him and the men of his home town of Anathoth threatened him, demanding, "Do not prophecy any more in the name of the Lord or you will die by our hands." (Jer.11:21)
[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion....Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?
And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric? (Source: George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States . . . Preparatory to His Declination (Baltimore: George and Henry S. Keatinge), pp. 22-23. In his Farewell Address to the United States in 1796.)

2 posted on 12/28/2003 3:45:54 PM PST by Federalist 78
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What's wrong with letting same-sex couples legally "marry?"

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The dictionary definition of marriage, and the definition encoded into law, is a commitment between a man and a woman. It's that simple.

3 posted on 12/28/2003 3:48:00 PM PST by RLK
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To: familyop; Ronly Bonly Jones
Is Same-Sex Marriage Good for the Nation?
4 posted on 12/28/2003 3:49:36 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: RLK

It's that simple.

And that difficult for the cult of judges who opine otherwise.

5 posted on 12/28/2003 3:51:15 PM PST by Federalist 78
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What's wrong with letting same-sex couples legally "marry?" --------------------- The dictionary definition of marriage, and the definition encoded into law, is a commitment between a man and a woman. It's that simple.

This battle is about the power of the state to define "black" as "white".

It's that simple.

6 posted on 12/28/2003 3:54:49 PM PST by Jim Noble
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This battle is about the power of the state to define "black" as "white".

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The state and the homosexual liberation fronts. Or the state as an agent of the homosexual liberation fronts.

7 posted on 12/28/2003 3:58:11 PM PST by RLK
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To: Federalist 78
Bookmark for reading when I have a month off.
8 posted on 12/28/2003 3:59:06 PM PST by LuigiBasco
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To: Federalist 78
INTREP - SOCIOLOGY - MARRIAGE
9 posted on 12/28/2003 4:00:11 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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The state and the homosexual liberation fronts. Or the state as an agent of the homosexual liberation fronts.

It is more important to the State that it can define reality against the obvious, and compel obedience, than it is to gays that they be allowed to "marry".

10 posted on 12/28/2003 4:01:39 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Federalist 78
As [Andrew] Sullivan puts it, there is “more likely to be a greater understanding of the need for extramarital outlets between two men than between a man and a woman;”

The Marrying Kind

11 posted on 12/28/2003 4:03:18 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
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MARRIAGE: The legal union of a man and a woman as husband and wife.

There is no getting over, under, around, or through the definition of marriage.

12 posted on 12/28/2003 4:07:21 PM PST by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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The homosexual lobby can have marriage as far as I'm concerned. Most heterosexual men I know have decided that marriage is bad for their health anyway given the legal climate, and want nothing to do with it. The gay lobby folks are idiots for wanting a piece of this action.
13 posted on 12/28/2003 4:12:13 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Federalist 78

14 posted on 12/28/2003 4:17:08 PM PST by putupon (-; Hey ArbustoRobustezas, those rose colored glasses ain't what's making Jorge look Pinko! ;-)
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Does anyone else think gay marriage was planted by a lawyer in order to grow a new cash crop? Gay divorces. It seems that the gold diggers are mining new opportunities at every turn. Why not this?
15 posted on 12/28/2003 4:24:25 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: RLK
The reality of shame has vanished from America's psyche, so the taboo structure of this nation has been mutated into the euphemistically called 'rule of law'. The 'law' now wants to define every aspect of life, finally supplanting the last vestiges of the taboo structure which served this Republic so well during its rise; the rule of law will govern its painful decline.
17 posted on 12/28/2003 4:35:24 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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When law become insane, the rule of law becomes imposition of insanity. When people become insane and demand insane law to protect their insanity, the rule of law, once again, becomes imposition of insanity.
18 posted on 12/28/2003 4:42:10 PM PST by RLK
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To: Federalist 78
"Same sex" and "marriage" do not appear in the same sentence. To think so is like saying pi = 3. It does not exist and can not exist and is basically an attempt by the gay lobby to hold down the United States and forcibly sodomize it, as well as all who recognize that marriage is what it is.

The only reason why the leftists support it is because homosexual sex patterns (with its hundreds or even thousands of sex partners) makes the "normal" heterosexual leftists (with there mere score or so of sex partners) seem "normal" by comparison. But those of us who understand what marriage is all about will not let them get away with it.

It shall not pass.
19 posted on 12/28/2003 4:47:50 PM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Federalist 78
Do we have to always have these quick pithy answers from some on this site here. Can't some take the time for a cogent comment?

This author has presented one of the best and complete set of arguments in opposition to "same-sex marriage" that I've encountered. It should be required reading for any jurist considering a case concerning "same sex marriage."

I disagree with the conclusion of having a constitutional amendment protecting marriage, though that might be the only one we can get. I prefer an amendment which would argue that "sexual orientation" does not constitute a class specifically protected by the "equal protection clause." That would put an end to all this nonsense. The intent of the gay activists are to use the courts to gain this and they've been successful up to this point, but never at the Supreme Court level. Since one can't argue the case of "same sex marriage" in a manner other then evoking the "equal protection clause", this is their actual aim. And when that happens the floodgates will definitely be open!

20 posted on 12/28/2003 4:57:30 PM PST by Coeur de Lion
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