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To: mrustow
How did he play with numbers, or do you just not like the facts he lays out?

For one he just makes an assertion. He provides no details and no documentation. As far as we know he is counting as a cost of immigration the cost of providing K-12 schooling to all children in the state (Many costs are sunk costs - You expand the class size rather than build new schools) or the cost of staffing an ER regardless of who is being served. Hell, he could even be counting the cost of unemployment benefits for the American worker who cant find a job and blames his failure to find a $150,000 a year computer programming gig on the immigrant crossing over from Mexico.

289 posted on 12/28/2003 10:24:49 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Dave S
How did he play with numbers, or do you just not like the facts he lays out?

For one he just makes an assertion. He provides no details and no documentation. As far as we know he is counting as a cost of immigration the cost of providing K-12 schooling to all children in the state (Many costs are sunk costs - You expand the class size rather than build new schools) or the cost of staffing an ER regardless of who is being served. Hell, he could even be counting the cost of unemployment benefits for the American worker who cant find a job and blames his failure to find a $150,000 a year computer programming gig on the immigrant crossing over from Mexico.

You write as though he just conjured numbers out of thin air. He cites other writers, and he cites the circumstances of costs. I've noticed that it is a common ruse of people who don't like certain facts top demand a book-length disquisition supporting a brief article. Then the complaint would be that the writer is so prolix as to be unreadable. And one of your "complaints" is obviously specious: If an ER is taken over by immigrants, to the exclusion of American citizens, then the cost of the ER is a cost of immigration. The American taxpayers in the area are paying for it, but are denied its services. Whether the ER is funded any better than when Americans were permitted to use it is irrelevant to calculating it as a cost of immigration. As for the case of public schools in areas with heavy illegal immigrant populations, any halfway informed person would know that, without needing to read this article.

Of course, no one is stopping you from following up on the writers the author cites. Someone who demands such Herculean effort of others must be willing to do some work himself, if does not wish to be outed as a hypocrite.

305 posted on 12/29/2003 12:28:45 AM PST by mrustow
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To: Dave S
Here's some data in this article --- the type of immigrant coming over from Mexico, they commonly have babies at 12-15 years old --- and there is no way they're going to be working hard, paying their own way. It's the taxpayers that will pay the very high birth rate as they bring it all over to this country.

Pregnancies Concern Gadsden School Officials

Forty of the pregnant girls this year are freshmen, seven are in middle school and two are in elementary school. Sixth-grade is elementary school in the Gadsden district.

316 posted on 12/29/2003 6:20:02 AM PST by FITZ
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