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To: Sabertooth
Would you mind posting the source and link, along with the appropriate tables for Carter, Bush 41, and Clinton, so that the folks at home can see the context on which your figures rest?

Just trying to go along with your "Freedom is truth!" dictum, you see.

Wherever it leads...

Link

63 posted on 12/28/2003 11:40:11 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign; jimkress; arete; Sabertooth
Thanks for your posts, and esp this article and this link. I think that continued questions about how govewrnment is spending our money will lead to change if we all keep at it.
104 posted on 12/28/2003 12:08:36 PM PST by inPhase
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To: FreeReign

Wherever it leads...

Link

Thanks. I thought your numbers looked familiar.

Let's take another look at your post at #38 on this thread....

Reagan's discretionary spending as a percentage of GDP for his first three years in office was 10.1%, 10.1% and 10.3%. Bush's discretionary spending as a percentage of GDP was 6.5% in 2001 and 7.1% in 2002. The 2003 figure is still incomplete.

So, 10% of your paycheck was going toward federal discretionary spending during the first 3 years of Reagan. For Bush the figure is 7% of your paycheck going toward federal discretionary spending and that includes a very expensive WOT!

Freedom is truth!

Well, President Reagan had a more expensive Cold War to fight, and we aren't really talking about Defense Spending anyway, since most here favor a strong national defense; we're talking about non-defense discretionary spending.

Here's the CBO table from which you gleaned your figures...

Discretionary Outlays, 1962-2002

(As a percentage of GDP)
  Defense International Domestic Total

1962 9.2   1.0   2.5   12.7  
1963 8.9   0.9   2.7   12.5  
1964 8.6   0.7   3.0   12.3  
1965 7.4   0.7   3.2   11.3  
1966 7.8   0.7   3.4   11.9  
1967 8.9   0.7   3.6   13.1  
1968 9.4   0.6   3.6   13.6  
1969 8.7   0.4   3.2   12.4  
1970 8.1   0.4   3.4   11.9  
1971 7.3   0.3   3.7   11.3  
1972 6.7   0.4   3.8   10.9  
1973 5.9   0.4   3.7   9.9  
1974 5.6   0.4   3.6   9.6  
1975 5.6   0.5   4.0   10.1  
1976 5.2   0.4   4.5   10.1  
1977 4.9   0.4   4.6   10.0  
1978 4.7   0.4   4.8   9.9  
1979 4.7   0.4   4.6   9.6  
1980 4.9   0.5   4.7   10.1  
1981 5.2   0.4   4.5   10.1  
1982 5.8   0.4   3.9   10.1  
1983 6.1   0.4   3.8   10.3  
1984 5.9   0.4   3.5   9.9  
1985 6.1   0.4   3.5   10.0  
1986 6.2   0.4   3.3   10.0  
1987 6.1   0.3   3.1   9.5  
1988 5.8   0.3   3.1   9.3  
1989 5.6   0.3   3.1   9.0  
1990 5.2   0.3   3.2   8.7  
1991 5.4   0.3   3.3   9.0  
1992 4.9   0.3   3.4   8.6  
1993 4.5   0.3   3.4   8.2  
1994 4.1   0.3   3.4   7.8  
1995 3.7   0.3   3.4   7.4  
1996 3.5   0.2   3.2   6.9  
1997 3.3   0.2   3.1   6.7  
1998 3.1   0.2   3.0   6.4  
1999 3.0   0.2   3.0   6.3  
2000 3.0   0.2   3.1   6.3  
2001 3.1   0.2   3.2   6.5  
2002 3.4   0.3   3.5   7.1  

Source: Congressional Budget Office.

Up front, let's understand that President's aren't responsible for the budget in the year in which they take office. That is the rtesponsibility of the outoing President. So President Reagan's Budgets are highlighted in red, from 1982 through 1989.

As of this writing, President Bush only has one bodget in this table for which he is responsible, 2002, which I've highlighted in blue. I've bold faced the numbers for non-defense and total discretionary spending of their outgoing predecessors, Presidents Carter and Clinton.

Note that in the President Carter's last year, non-defnese discretionary spending stood at 4.5% of GDP. It immediately dropped to 3.9% in President Reagan's first year, and held firm or declined in every one of his budgets, eventually ending up at 3.1% of GDP.

In President Bush's first year, he increased non-defense discretionary spending from President Clinton's final 3.2% of GDP, up to 3.5%, higher than it's been since 1985, when President Reagan was bringing it down.

President Reagan, like President Bush, had a legislature with only one chamber held by the GOP. Yet non-defense discretionary spending only declined under President Reagan, while it has increased under President Bush.

Looking at total discretionary spending, we see a 0.6% jump for President Bush over President Clinton, from 6.5% to 7.1%.

With President Reagan, however, we see that his total discretionary spending peaked in 1983 at 10.3%, only 0.2% higher than President Carter's final 10.1%, before dropping to 9.0% at the end of his term.

Again, President Reagan's figures include Cold War defense spending, which was a more expensive enterprise than the War on Terror.

Then numbers for President Bush are two few for a good sample, but one certainly can't extrapolate a trend of fiscal restraint from them.

As you said, "freedom is truth."


169 posted on 12/28/2003 1:25:24 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: FreeReign
Good job!
224 posted on 12/28/2003 7:01:43 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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