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Meat of Infected Cow Found in More States
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| 12/28/2003
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Posted on 12/28/2003 9:03:31 AM PST by yonif
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To: Battle Axe
At that point I would call her a cow because she would be fully grown at that point and look like a mature adultAnd that's why there is something wrong with this whole Canada cow story.
Canadian papers show the cow had two calves before it was exported to the United States, contrary to U.S. documents which classified the animal as a heifer when it arrived , meaning it had never borne calves.
Anyone in the cattle business would recognize a , as you called her, "first calf heifer." Canadian papers show she had 2 calves and if she was a milking cow, especially a Holstein, no way could she be classified as a heifer. You'd have to be blind .
The American version says she was 4 1/2 years old. She could have had the three calves we know about but if she was a heifer in 2000, she was born in '99 . Or almost, two years after the ban went into effect.
If she was born in mid 97, the year the ban was put in place , she , like all other calves , could not digest solids till her paunch developed and as a dairy heifer she was likely put on milk replacer , not whole milk . With the ban in place in '97 the question is , are there animal by-products in milk replacer ? Animal fat , not milk fat. And how did she get it if it was banned? Milk replacer is a specialty feed, you just can't mix it up like other feeds. And even then is it the same animal , because no one would label her as a heifer after she had 2 calves.
I'd like to know how many cows were being milked on this farm. Years ago, between high school and college I worked on a farm that milked 80 cows year round . Plus fed the dry ones. The owner knew were every one came from , her health history , her blood tests, her blood lines. By sight and memory! Did this farm not have any record books of AI breeding ? Anything?
To: sciencediet
re: the website you posted...The fifth recipe from the bottom does sound pretty "offal" :).
Actually though, when I was a kid, we ate what was put in front of us & I learned to relish boiled tongue sandwiches, cabeza tacos (headmeat), menudo (tripe), good ol' liver & onions, & fried or baked, stuffed heart. Never cared for kidneys or brains, but my husband liked those. Then there's "Rocky Mountain Oysters" (which are highly overpriced - taste like giant gizzards to me). Hubby & I used to joke about opening a restaurant called "Entrails" for offal-lovers like us.
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posted on
12/28/2003 6:31:30 PM PST
by
ironmaidenPR2717
(Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.)
To: pickemuphere
Yes; or, you might stick with grass-fed cattle. You know, grass, that stuff that cows are actually designed to eat? This problem started when "corporate" farms started feeding cows other cows, sheep offal, ground chicken, etc.
When I said organic, I was thinking along the lines of free-range. Thanks for the answer. ;-)
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To: ikka
Speaking as a beef eater it is my understanding the animal only has to walk onto the trailer taking it to the slaughterhouse it does not have to be able to walk off.
I imagine if we knew the half of it we'd all become vegetarians until we heard the story I did this weekend about the fellow recently witnessed picking blueberries for a commercial grower, and getting paid by the pint, who was so devoted he was picking with one hand and pissing with the other.
So if we knew all there was to know about fruit/vegetable harvests we'd all become meat eaters.
;-)
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posted on
12/28/2003 7:10:42 PM PST
by
festus
To: Battle Axe
There are over 7000 stories about Mad Cow disease on Google News links . I give up trying to find that story on the still births.
This cow had to be a good producer of milk for them to breed her with the data they have for review as you stated...
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posted on
12/28/2003 7:12:30 PM PST
by
tubebender
(Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
To: Battle Axe
I hadn't heard that there were 4000. Even so , as you indicate , records are kept . The largest I ever visited was 1500 and I was not impressed . Big is not always better.
btw , I beat you by a year (81). Paying 24-26% interest rates were not fun , not when you're were trying to make a profit . Except ,if you happen to be a banker. :)
To: tubebender
If she was sick she would never have been allowed to calve... I don't think they knew. It can take years to develop symptoms of mad cow, apparently. And the only way to diagnose it is through autopsy.
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posted on
12/28/2003 7:39:40 PM PST
by
Yaelle
To: pickemuphere
Yes; or, you might stick with grass-fed cattle. I just purchased some online. I wonder how it will taste. I have been curious about grass-fed beef for a long time.
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posted on
12/28/2003 7:41:08 PM PST
by
Yaelle
To: yonif
It's strange that Canadian officials are now claiming that it is premature to claim that the cow came from Alberta because I first heard the claim on BBC, before the US announcement. The BBC newsreader stated that the cow came from Calgary and that the entire herd in question came from Calgary in 2001. Now, the Candians have changed their minds?
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posted on
12/28/2003 7:49:05 PM PST
by
Eva
To: Rodney King
"Look, there are 60 million people in England, and 20 have died from a disease that nobody has proven has any link to Mad-Cow over the last 20 years. To suggest that this is a big crisis is ridiculous. I ate a steak today, and I'll eat one tomorrow."
Maybe that's what's wrong with you ... mad cow disease is eating away at you.
As for me, I'll avoid beef for now as the recall gets larger and in more states.
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posted on
12/28/2003 8:01:29 PM PST
by
nmh
To: Battle Axe
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posted on
12/28/2003 8:29:59 PM PST
by
tubebender
(Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
To: spectre
I'm not touching a hot dog, or potted meat, or spam.. Spam should be OK. It's made of pork, not beef.
To: yonif
Man o man, that cow got around didn't it.
To: Battle Axe
The farm in Canada that originaly owned the cow still has one of her calves. I believe that DNA testing is already being done.
If DNA testing proves that the cow came from the farm in Alberta the existing herd will be slaughtered and tested for the disease
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posted on
12/28/2003 10:33:01 PM PST
by
Tokara
To: yonif
`The recalled meat represents essentially zero risk to consumers,'' Petersen said. Famous last words..They are counting on a long incubation period
Buy chicken futures
To: yonif
Investigators disclosed Sunday that they have found meat cut from a Holstein sick with mad cow disease was sent to four more states and one territory.
"Where's the beef?"
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posted on
12/29/2003 2:54:23 AM PST
by
putupon
(-; Hey ArbustoBustezas, those rose colored glasses ain't what's making Jorge look Pinko! ;-)
To: Gelato
Free Trade = Nafta
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posted on
12/29/2003 5:48:15 AM PST
by
fatso
To: Dallas59
Exactly. That's a pretty cavalier statement.
To: Denver Ditdat
Wasn't it Spam they found in the whole with SH? Wonder if he knew it was made with pork!
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posted on
12/29/2003 6:43:59 AM PST
by
hoosiermama
(Prayers for all!)
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