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To: MEG33
This president didn't start the draft seatbelt garbage,most,if not ALL states have them required,and have their police stop those ( especially on holiday weekends ) cars, in which someone/s isn't/aren't wearing them and fining them. So...what's " new " ? NOTHING !

Those, here, who drag out the L/libertarian code words/phrases, at the drop of a hat, immediately LOSE; just as those who first yell NAZI do.

From colonial times' morality and personal behavior laws of all kinds, to the Fed's intrusions, such as what led to the WHISKEY REBELLION and its repercussions, to laws put into place during almost EVERY war, in this nation's history, from rationing to blackout curtains to well needed FOOD AND DRUG BILLS ( and there were numerous ones, which the populace demanded from the government ! ),and more, there will always be the UNAPPEASEABLES, who scream " statist ", " police state ",and worse, without any sense, at all, as to what, exactly, these terms mean.

And rent control is still in existence, but not a one, NO ONE AT ALL, from the fringe group, ever screams about that!They don't scream about salmonella outbreaks, nor protection from MAD COW DISEASE, or a whole host of " nanny state " things, which are keeping them & theirs safe.

Even IF every FREEPER and everyone them are related to and know, voted for a fringe party,instead for the GOP, the fringe party's candidate would lose and the damned Dem would win. Would that " teach " the GOP anything ? Just that there was a whole lot of cretins out there!

MEG, we have more than one threat out there, one of who is NOT President Bush...but one of whom is the enemy within...THE UNAPPEASEABLES !

140 posted on 12/27/2003 7:29:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Well said!!
141 posted on 12/27/2003 7:31:59 PM PST by MEG33 (We Got Him!)
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To: nopardons; Congressman Billybob
Am I crazy or was there a 35 mile an hour speed limit duringWW2? We had a gas shortage,the troops needed gas.There rare trip to my grandparents house seemed to take forever(it's an hour and a half drive!)
145 posted on 12/27/2003 7:47:04 PM PST by MEG33 (We Got Him!)
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To: nopardons
...who scream " statist ", " police state ",and worse, without any sense, at all, as to what, exactly, these terms mean.

Here is a definition of "statist". I should ring a bell for you:

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WHAT IS A STATIST? Statism is the doctrine that maintains that your life, money and property are not yours, but the property of the state. A statist is any individual who upholds this doctrine and/or supports its implementation.

A statist knows that he cannot get away with—at least, not yet—openly declaring that your life, money and property are not yours, so he advances these ideas by implicit means. Statists enact laws that forbid you from taking certain actions altogether or only if you have their permission—and the idea is: if you may only act by permission, you do not have a right to your life. Statists, through their regulations, determine how much of your money you will be allowed to keep—and the idea is: if you do not have the right to decide how your money is spent, your money is not yours. Statists issue decrees restricting how you may use your property—and the idea is: if you do not have the right to control the use and disposal of your property, your property is not yours. These are the indirect means by which statists promote and implement their ideas.

An adult statist is grown up, physically, but in a state of self-arrested, stunted, mental development. His worldview is that of a child who can only do what his parents permit and who is dependent on his parents for everything. In the adult world, he seeks to forcibly impose this view on others. You are the child and the state, run by statists, is the parent. The statist may do anything he wants, while you may only do what the statist permits—bringing us a complete reversal of the way it should be. In fact, you should be free to do whatever you want (so long as you do not violate the right of another to do the same), while government officials should only be able to do what the law specifically permits—and no more.

Fulton Huxtable

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Hope that clears it up for you.

Regards

J.R.

146 posted on 12/27/2003 7:47:13 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: nopardons
...there will always be the UNAPPEASEABLES, who scream " statist ", " police state "...

...and there will be many more people who, having voted fopr someone who made much of his Christian conservative values during the election, expect him to then use them to set policy direction once he's in the big seat. As opposed to signing off on statist policy like this, or police state policy like the PATRIOT Act.

337 posted on 12/28/2003 1:35:55 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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