The Nanny State Strikes Again

Fox News ^ | 12/26/03 | William A. Niskanen

[Luis Gonzalez]

"In 1903, for the first time in American history, the average man or woman was convinced that they had to get government permission to move about in their daily lives."

You are supposed to demonstrate a minimal proficiency at operating a motor vehicle.

Hey, no one is demanding that you get a driver's license to walk around.

So...walk.

It would be good for you.

[Luis Gonzalez]

He lost me with that snide remark insinuating that he hasd to talk down to me.

I find that highly insulting.

[FLAMING DEATH]

Yep.

I think he hopes that it will never come to his desk.

Wasn't that the same tactic he used with CFR?

[Orangedog]

Are we now going to stoop to cute little pictures like that?

[agitator]

I'm not going to get into this particular subject with you Luis because the 5 years of research I did on it speaks for itself. Whether you want to read it or understand it is up to you.

[nunya bidness]

"Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

Clearly more research is needed.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Whether you want to read it or understand it is up to you."

Perched on your throne tonight?

[Torie]

Hey, my grandfather drove around Washinton DC in 1912 without a driver's license because none was required. He got a ticket for driving 15 miles per hour in a 12 mile an hour speed zone. Or so my grandmother told me.

[agitator]

No, my research speaks for itself :)

[Luis Gonzalez]

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes"

The poster insinuated that the Feds money was "stolen", the Feds money comes from imposing taxes, which they have the Constitutional power to do.

If you are going to jump in, then pay attention.

[inquest]

You are just way too much fun. So many buttons to push, so little time...

So, you've discovered the Constitution. The clause you quoted grants only the power to raise money. The powers to spend it are granted by other clauses. None of those relate to ensuring the safety of individuals traveling within their own state borders. So much for the constitutional side.

As to the more fundamental question, my analogy describes the situation exactly. Taking money from the people and giving it back with strings attached is no different from directly passing laws regulating their behavior. There's no way around that fact.

[Orangedog]

And we'll hear the same group of apologists here that will stand in line to carry his water on that one as well.

[MEG33]

Did you perchance see how I answered Fred calling me a pea brain?His 209 and my 222?

[Torie]

You think the feds giving bribes to the states to pass laws that it wants is unconstitutional? By the way, under the commerce clause as interpreted by SCOTUS back when, Congress can pass a federal law mandating seat belts anytime it wants, and it will be upheld. Retreating to the Constitution on these little matters is a refuge for those that don't want to deal with the policy issues in many instances, and thus a dodge and deflection.

[inquest]

His post to me, or my response to his insult?

Hmm, sounds like somebody has a much easier time dishing out what he has a harder time taking.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I'll tell you what.

You move your ass to Florida, get on the road with the hundreds of thousands of old fossils who migrate here yearly, and then convince me that they should not have their ability to propel 4,000 lbs of metal down I-95 at 70 MPH tested periodically.

[nunya bidness]

If you are going to jump in, then pay attention.

Night Rambo.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I have no problem either way.

Bring it on.

Now, will you answer the question you are avoiding.

Do the States have the right to regulate transportation or not?

[agitator]

Like I said, the world is flat. I don't argue about it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"The clause you quoted grants only the power to raise money."

So then, it isn't "stolen" money...is it?

Push away.

I push back.