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To: Defiant
So, nuking Islam's holy sites is a good thing??? It may satisfy the need for revenge, but it will do nothing to stop Al Queda. They want the US to do something like this so a "Moslem holy war" will begin. bin Laden has already said so.

So what do we do if the apocolypse hit the US? Really good question. We could threaten Iran and Pakistan to catch bin Laden, but our military is already spread too thin. Killing innocent Arabs is no better than killing innocent Americans. The only credible thing is probably begin nuking the areas where bin Laden and company have been known to hide, like the southeastern mountains along the Afganistan-Pakistan border.

Let's hope these threats are false bravdo, and Specials Ops somehow capture or kill the head of the Al Queda dragon.

41 posted on 12/27/2003 2:39:18 PM PST by irish_lad
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To: irish_lad
I say start targeting the families of these cave dwellers. Put some terror into their lives....they only respond through violence....not intimidation.
42 posted on 12/27/2003 2:44:19 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: irish_lad
It's called deterrence, and it is what kept us from receiving or using nukes during the cold war. The thing with deterrence is, you have to threaten something the other side cares about. What do the terrorists care about? Not any particular city or millions of lives or an industry. They are apocalyptic madmen.

The only thing they do care about is Mecca. So, we use that. They understand that we are not going to chase around after the bad guy if someone nukes New York. We can't play that game--lose NY, fart around in Western Pakistan looking around for some terrorists. Lose DC, go after Iran. Lose LA, hell, now we're pissed, we're going to send an army to Yemen. No, we don't have enough troops to go all over the world hunting these people down. What we do have is an armed force we can concentrate in 2 or 3 places at a time, AND one helluva set of missiles, unused and rarin' to go.

The goal with all deterrence plans is to threaten and be credible about it so that you never have to use your force. BUT....if the worst happens, and these idiots decide to do something that inflicts heavy damage on an American city? Then I say, the prelude is started, now it's time for the main event. First thing, take out Mecca (give em a few hours to clear out if you want, there are only a few thousand people living there during the off season). Accomplish 2 things:

1. Show the JF'nKerryers that we are f'n serious; and
2. Show the Muslims that their God ain't as powerful as the US military. Ask them if a God would have allowed the incineration of his most holy asteroid.

Sure there will be rage when that happens. So what? We just lost Freakin' New York, remember? Most of these people will stay out of the fight, not wanting to die. The ones who do fight are the ones we want to kill anyway. Maybe some of these people will see the error of their ways, and look for a belief system that does not preach forced conversion and jihad. Those that don't will have to look for a way to reform their religion into something less threatening to civilization.

Nazism was partly a religion (an attempt to resurrect the pagan Norse gods) and partly a political system. We had no problems stamping it off the face of the earth. Communism was and remains a religion as well as a political system. (The belief that there is no God is a religious belief, and the faith in a dialectic is about as faith-based as Christianity.) We had no problem with a policy whose goal was to eliminate Communism, and we would have treated it like Nazism if we ever got into a hot war with it.

So this Islamofascism, this attempt to impose 7th century Arab sand people culture on other humans and call it a religious system, should be treated no different. It needs to be bottled up and civilized, or eliminated. Personally, I prefer eliminated, for just as we don't want to reform Nazism or Communism, I don't think we should attempt to have a softened Islam. The original is always there lurking, ready to reassert itself. Better it be stamped out altogether.

Sorry if you disagree. This is war, and we didn't start it, and personally, I think most Muslims are nice and don't want this war either, and I hope it doesn't come to any of these extreme events, but if they take out a major American city......all bets are off.

130 posted on 12/27/2003 5:50:44 PM PST by Defiant (A metrosexual is a nancy-boy.)
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