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To: Federalist 78
Published in 1987 by Professor Allen Bloom was a study entitled "The Closing of the American Mind." What is the cause? American universities do not pay sufficient attention to Plato and Socrates.

Clumsy, pretentious opening. No serious, independent thinker would lean on The Closing of the American Mind. Bloom wrote a powerful, provocative book, but it suffered from its own clumsy class pretentions, and Bloom's worship of Nazi Martin Heidegger (which Bloom's fans ignored, and critics failed to notice or grasp). "I'm not a philosopher, but I play one for NewsMax."

The best-known book of Plato-Socrates, written by Plato, since Socrates did not write but expressed himself orally, describes the ideal State and hence is entitled "The State," mistranslated into English as "The Republic," though "republic" is a Latin, not Greek, word that appeared after Plato’s death.

Dunce. The works were by Plato, who at times quotes Socrates, but at other times put his own words in Socrates' mouth. The Republic is one of Plato's books least influenced by Socrates. Why? Because Socrates never professed to have answers, only questions. But The Republic claims to have ALL the answers.

The ideal State of Plato-Socrates resembles the tyrannical Sparta, a mortal enemy of Athenian democracy, but this ideal State of Plato-Socrates is far more Spartan than Sparta. It is a countrywide cattle-breeding farm on which pedigree human cattle are raised.

Yeah, and it's Plato's ideal, not that of Socrates. I wonder if this mook even bothered READING Plato, or if he just skimmed Bloom.

59 posted on 12/26/2003 10:19:14 PM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
American universities do not pay sufficient attention to Plato and Socrates. -Lev Navrozov paraphrasing Allan Bloom

The author is not leaning on Bloom; he's criticizing him in a way for placing the greatest of emphasis on the Greeks. This is a Christmas piece that castigates the excesses of modernism, whether before or after Christ.

I agree with you The Republic should not be attributed to the historical Socrates, but that error is incidental to the meaning of the piece.

64 posted on 12/26/2003 10:36:00 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: mrustow; Federalist 78; A. Pole; Unknowing; greenwolf
Read also: Socrates Had It Coming"

In the course of Western Civilization, there have been two trials ending in a sentence of death imposed upon two individuals later deemed grossly unfair and unjust by the verdict of history. One trial was that of Jesus Christ, the other that of Socrates.

Of course, it can be said with justification that each man steered a course that ended with a fatal termination from the power structure of the time.

It was Jesus' destiny.

It was Socrates' choice.

66 posted on 12/26/2003 10:40:53 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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