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To: RinaseaofDs; everyone
Right..IF they have nukes (possible, given the collapse of the USSR), ANYTHING is possible.

The thing that has me most worried is the bravdo of the claims. You don't (no matter how psychotic and twisted you might be) claim that the attack will "change the order of things".

This sounds to me like a nuclear strike. That is the ONLY thing that could be this huge to "change the order of things".

Add in all of the other supposed letters from AQ talking about "weaping from your underground bunkers" and they are CLEARLY threatening a nuclear hit.

I for one don't put it beyond the realm of possibility, but pray to God that I am wrong on this.

I guess we will see. In the meantime, I am going to do everything possible to be prepared for such a nightmare scenario. Because if they DO hit us..we are looking at huge nuclear retaliation from the US against ME countries. And from there..all bets are off.
56 posted on 12/26/2003 7:43:58 AM PST by jstolzen
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To: jstolzen
What's the consensus? Do you guys think we're just hearing chest thumping, or is something "big" really in the works? I fear it is the latter.

I think there is something very different about this "Code Orange," particularly since the standard for code orange today is a bit higher than it was several months ago. I also think that the LEO as coordinated through DHS is more in tune now than at any time since 09.11, and when they show signs of heightened concern, we need to be extra suspiscious, vigilent, cautious, etc., etc.

The fact that AQ hasn't used nukes or other WMD means nothing to me other than (a) they don't have them, yet; (b) they have them, but lack the logistics to use them at this time; (c) they have them and have decided for strategical reasons not to use them yet; or (d) they have tried to use them, but the attack was thwarted by LEO, DHS, our spooks, whatever.

As to why AQ would use jet planes and more conventional explosives as weapons if they in fact have WMD, my theory is two fold: Either AQ didn't have the weapons on 09.11 or lacked the logistical network to use them effectively; or they chose not to use them at the time because they don't have many and are saving the best for last. In other words, why use WMD on 09.11 when you can hijack a few airplanes and kill 3000 plus people -- a number which could have easily been ten times that amount if AQ had attacked the WTC an hour later that morning and crashed the planes into the middle of the towers rather than the upper floors. Jet planes are not as easy to hijack these days so AQ will use a different plan to obtain maximum death and destruction, which is why they may choose to use WMD at this time, because that may be all they have left.

In my view, AQ is not so much a terrorist organization as it is an army at war. The goal is not to terrorize, but to defeat the west and establish the Wasabi brand of Islam worldwide. An occassional car bomb, sniper attack, power outage, or airport shooting is not going to win the war when LEO can provide a less threatening explaination for the event. AQ will plan carefully and take their time between attacks so as to cause maximum death and destruction when the time is right. They used airplanes 09.11 because they could do so with relative ease. They may use WMD this time, because that's all they have left.

Lastly, I don't know whether these threatening internet posts are from one person or many, or whether the writers are members of AQ or AQ wannabees, or just kids looking for kicks or whether the purpose is to instill fear in the infidel or send messages to AQ cells. I do beleive, however, that the fact that AQ has not warned of attacks in the past is meaningless. The only thing worse than a catastophic attack in the USA would be advance warning of the attack and our inability to stop it.

89 posted on 12/26/2003 9:35:32 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: jstolzen
I'm with you.

You pretty much have to assume they've got them. I think that our people did that a long time ago. The thing that we were hanging our hat on for so long is that they couldn't deliver them intercontinentally.

Well, that is no longer the case, so we are, defacto, in an arms race again. This time, it is theater and strategic ballistic missile defense technological maturity vs. China achieving 1975 levels of nuclear ballistic missiles.

As far as Al Qaeda having them, we are going to see about that. Iran has already said that 15 minutes after they get them they will use them on Israel.

Nuclear weapons are as nasty to handle in most cases as they are to deploy. They take maintenance.
108 posted on 12/29/2003 10:50:36 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (Only those who dare truly live - CGA 88 Class Motto)
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