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I didn't say just let them flood in here. But doing nothing is tatamount to condoning the worst sort of victimization of these ... Human Beings.

Military on the border and all that is pie in the sky BS. Not feasible. Not going to happen.

But nobody wants to admit that every single one of us benifits from their labor. Every day and most every way.

Our birth-rate is not high enough to provide adequate labor even IF American kids by and large wanted to work. We are quite spoiled as a society and we just don't like getting our hands dirty any more. I know I know .... not all of us. But a majority. We're paper pushers and desk jokies these days.

Somebody has to do the grunt work. Create a system. Let them in. Tax them.

Sorry, but your statement is, in my opinion liberal propaganda - your statement posted below. Legal Immigrants have to meet certain criteria, such as swearing off welfare for five years. Kissing ass of the illegals discriminates against legal aliens who can do the work - why not increase their quotas IF we need the labor? The number of illegals has increased in this country even in the face of the unemployment that is just now beginning to reverse itself in a previously poor economy... and the influx of 30 million immigrants, illegal or not has fueled wht you see as demand for labor - someone has to support them and they increase their own demand. Perhaps throw the illegals out, close the doors for awhile, assimialate those legals that are here and see what the truth is.
Your statement: Our birth-rate is not high enough to provide adequate labor even IF American kids by and large wanted to work. We are quite spoiled as a society and we just don't like getting our hands dirty any more. I know I know .... not all of us. But a majority. We're paper pushers and desk jokies these days.

But doing nothing is tatamount to condoning the worst sort of victimization of these ... Human Beings.

are you serious? Their treatment here in the US is worse than the treatment they receive in Mexico? They are victims because we provide them opportunities to work so that they and their families don't starve to death? Educating their children for free and footing the bill for their medical care, food stamps, adult education, ad nauseum, is abuse? I don't agree with you, and neither do the illegal aliens. When facing deportation, they scratch and claw to stay in this country as though their life depended on it. This is the worst sort of victimization??? You're nuts.

But nobody wants to admit that every single one of us benifits from their labor.

If you hire an illegal to rake your leaves ---- that benefits me in no way whatsoever --- and it doesn't even benefit you when the wind blows your neighbors leaves into your yard and your yard is in need of raking again. If you hire someone to babysit your kids illegally --- that benefits me in no way whatsover.

But it's doubtful that those employers of those illegals are interested in paying for their illegals hospital bill or housing costs or the tuition it takes to educate their kids. All illegal labor is, is taxpayer subsidized labor that benefits only a handful --- their immediate employers ---- certainly not the rest of us.

But nobody wants to admit that every single one of us benifits from their labor. Every day and most every way.

More liberal crap. We benefit from their subsidized labor? Hardly.

Americans are the toughest, most determined people on the planet. There are many of us who will fill their jobs when this pestilence is finally over. Wages will rise and working conditions will get better because our citizens won't tolerate being exploited.

I got a real hard time justifying illegal aliens when so many of OUR people are still getting pink slips in this job-less economic recovery.

I'm really sorry things are so shitty down in mexico. Maybe if illegals did't have six kids each they wouldn't worry so much about starvation. Irresponsible behavior to the max. Mexico's problems are not our problems. Mexico is a totally corrupt, third-world oligarachy. Mexicans are the only people who are going to fix their problems.

You are just not rational. Illegal aliens are benefitting almost no one, as their costs in social services alone costs us much more than they ever put back into society.

There are plenty of Americans to work the low cost jobs-they are called TEENAGERS.

Many now do not work cause they are replaced by adult illegal aliens. Many do not work because we give out FOR FREE too much oney or nothing.

I work in a warehouse that is easily close to 1/2 illegal Mexican-in Memphis, no less. Do you really believe there are no Americans to do this work. It pays better than minimum wage, however our pay and raises are now dropping as they hire more and more low wage ILLEGALS.

Furthermore, they don't want to assimilate into US society. They expect me to learn Spainish for them. UNFRICKING BELIEVABLE!!! This is the middle part of America here.

But nobody wants to admit that every single one of us benifits from their labor. Every day and most every way

Like your prior post...more gross generalizations.

Taking 8-12+ million illegals and calling them legal to somehow "catch up" will not solve the problem...it will make it dramatically worse.

I never said anything about doing nothing...I just directly and strobngly disagree with your approach which is, according to your own words, only based on what you have seen and what your gut tells you. Programs like yours in the past, on a smaller scale, have failed and failed misreably...irrespective of how touchy-feely they were and how well they sold to a supposed voting block.

There is no reason to believe that a larger program of such a nature for those already here would not fail in a proportionally bigger way.

I believe the program that is based on your gut is based far too much on emotion.

I'm sorry Mexico is a hell-hole...the people in Mexico need to stand up on their own two feet and fix it. If they start doing that, and mean it, we will be in a much better position to help them IMHO. Encouraging the opening of the borders in such a way as you do will do nothing to help Mexico and serve only to further drag us down towards their level.

The answer is to toughen up the laws we already have and start enforcing them. Over a 18-24 month time, if we got serious about it, we could enforce those laws and remove most of the illegals already here form our borders and make it plain that the only way to enter this nation is through the legal proscribed method. As top how much "yopu" may benifit form those existing here...that is far you to decide. You go on and on about how we all benefit immenslely...but there is no evidence other than your own opinion to that point. Many here have expolained to you how we do not benefit...or how they do not benefit and why...you emtoionally negate al;l of that with no reasoned arguement other than that from your perspective "it is so".

You emotional rants that those opposing your "plan" are somehow hateful or unchristian, or that it is never going to happen or work, or just that, rants from your perspective.

,,,and that's just my own opinion on the matter...just like yours has been.