[TommyC1]

I have two words you should understand: Social Security.

Making the Mexican immigrants legal allow us to collect SS tax $ and pay for the baby boomer retirement. I work as a retirement plan actuary and been saying for 25 years that we'll have to let them in so we can pay for Social Security benefits. Amnesty puts all of them on the SS tax rolls and their relative young demographic couterbalances the aging Boomers.

It's going to happen because it has to!

So the true effort of you and me has to be to make sure they are educated to be AMERICANS, just as it was for the immigrants of the late 1800's.

[holyscroller]

"Making the Mexican immigrants legal allows us to collect SS tax $ and pay for the baby boomer retirement."

The problem is they all work under the table, and don't pay taxes or into Social Security. They're leeches. They TAKE, not contribute.

[WhiteGuy]

If this is the answer to the SS mess proposed by the GOP.............

They can forget about another vote or dollar from this WhiteGuy.

I'll concentrate on promoting the agendda of the freedom loving constitutionalists of our nation, PERIOD.

[Missouri]

Amnesty puts all of them on the SS tax rolls

...and adds millions to the Democratic voter rolls.

[FITZ]

They have too high of a welfare rate and high school drop out rate for us to count on them. We just don't need the millions from Mexico who come here with no job skills, no education, no English language ability to bail out this country. Welfare rates along the border exceed 50% in many counties. Low skilled labor jobs are leaving the country, not coming in.

Here's a typical immigrant high school ---- lots of violent crime besides 12 year olds having babies ---- don't count on them to save Social Security ---- they need lifelong welfare programs.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1045561/posts

[bam]

Social Security in the long run is a mathematical impossibility. Maybe you could save it for two or three generations by increasing the population, but much longer than that the population required to sustain Social Security, (assuming current retirement age, longevity, and worker/retiree ratio) will not fit in the country.

Besides that, just the older family members that these illegals would bring in if they became citizens would probably suck more out of Social Security than they ever would pay into it. And besides that, the taxes required for social programs, education, prisons, medical, infrastructure etc. is more than what would be contributed to Social Security (or any other taxes). Wouldn't it be better to allow people to be responsible for and save for their own retirement by having to pay less in taxes than to make them dependent on government and the Social Security Ponzi scheme? Politicians liking dependence on government might be another reason they are pushing this.

Using Social Security to justify immigration is not fiscally sound and will eventually hit an environmental brick wall -- but, I guess, we will just continue to live in Disneyland as long as the politicians continue to promise something for nothing.

I wouldn't count on too much success in educating illegals to be Americans either. There are just too many of them that think it should be the other way around -- that Americans have been or should be trained to accommodate them. C-SPAN had a segment on this topic today and there was a caller who was a teacher in the trenches in LA teaching mainly illegal immigrants and she pretty much confirmed that.

[FreeFireBorderZone]

This is an unfounded assertion. Surrender your borders language and culture in order to boost pension funds. Insanity. Better take steps to reduce the cost of living for seniors. eg parallel imports of drugs from Canada and Brazil etc not socialized medicine that places even further burdens in the future on to todays younger generations.
Maasively undermining living wages will force more Citizens onto public welfare and generate charitable donor fatigue for institutions like the Red cross and Salvation Army.
This is like inducing an incurable flesh eatimg disease in order to excise a malignant growth. Introducing immigrants from a different culture speaking a different language at a rate far greater than the host society can assimilate them ,even assuming there is a mutual desire for intergration as opposing to locust style feasting, is a recipe for ethnic polarization and conflict.
Instead of allowing corporations to transfer social cost of foreign employees to US taxpayers who pay the the education and medical treatment of their workers better to force employers to make mandatory 401K contributions going forward and raise social security contributions or taxes now but clearly state that it's ring fenced to fill the SS hole for a time limited period. A good example would be the reunification taxes in West Germany. The federal retirement age is being raised and in future will be raised further.
State and federal retirement benefits will have to be reduced and people warned to make greater personal provision. Failure to do so will result in relying on charity. Having more foreign workers encourages greater transfers of funds overseas that further worsens the Balance of Payments weakening the US dollar and raising interest costs as people are less inclined to hold dollar bonds. Thinking that an ethnic group can be imported as a voting block is a fantasy that at best will serve term limited politicians on a one off basis. Once these people are legalised they'll vote for their own compatriots who will promise them Christmas every month and force us to pay for it.
Going forward voting for the opposition who are proposing more of the same will not help. Thats like surrendering your bill of rights and then trying to get it back. I think 70 years of gun control and now the USA PATRIOT Act have disspelled anyones illusions about the likelyhood of that.
The only non violent solution is massive grass roots involvement in political organizations. Pay minimum subscriptions but vote and stand for election on party boards, committees, organizing groups and councils.
The ACTIVE membership of these bodies is tiny and they are very easy to take over. If you're not a major contibutor incumbent politicians care little for your comments in an elitist 2 party system with little policy choice. Taking over the nomination, fund raising and vounteer coordination bodies though is very cheap and gives you real power. Thanks to Campaign Finance reforms emasculation of the first ammendment published dissent is effectively stymied so only by getting inside the apparatus can one effect change.

[SierraWasp]

"I have two words you should understand: Social Security."

Here is the unadulterated truth of the matter, brought to you by one who actually understands the situation.

Reply #19 by TommyC1 exposes the "core sample" reasons and outcome of FDR's illegal ponzi scheme being wrecked by all the World War II GI's coming home triumphant and making babies.

The strain on government of providing old age assistance and a public pension for those who wouldn't, or couldn't do their own saving, investing and insuring in the "baby boom" battle of the bulge, is referred to in government circles as "The Pig In The Python!"

Imagine, if you will, the quagmire created by FDR, compounded by LBJ in setting up a welfare state for aging hippies with minds already damaged by drugs, entering nursing homes with alzheimers and other dementia that rarely shortens life but makes you a "Ward of the State!

You would all be wise to temper your passion with TommyC1's lucid view of reality and calm down a little before we have another 1992 election disaster!!!

Merry Christmas everyone, but remember... With Demonicrats in control of the treasury, everyday is Christmas for their voters, not you!!!

[Choose Ye This Day]

Making the Mexican immigrants legal allow us to collect SS tax $ and pay for the baby boomer retirement. ...we'll have to let them in so we can pay for Social Security benefits. Amnesty puts all of them on the SS tax rolls...

I'm not so sure about this. Unless illegals are being paid cash, they are paying into Social Security now. Probably 99% of illegals are using false identification to work. They are ON the payroll, so the 7.65% for SS and Medicare is withheld from every paycheck (and the employer has to kick in and match the 7.65%).

They're probably not paying much in income taxes.

[stopem]

Really?? TommyC1 Now that's a new approach to explain why legalizing them would be a good thing.

Maybe we should give more credit to the man we all voted for otherwise we would be like the loony left. God forbid!

Interesting.