Bush to Propose Broad AmnestyTell Congress to Say No!

FAIR ^ | 12-24-03 | Fair staff

[Zipporah]

Ah.. Howard Phillips.. a friend several years ago was a supporter of Phillips. Thanks.

[Zipporah]

"Over and over, George W. Bush has proved he knows exactly what he is doing......and I trust him completely. He has earned my trust."

I can say just the opposite. Other than, of course, I do agree.. Bush has proved he knows exactly what he is doing.. contravening the will of the people.

[bam]

Social Security in the long run is a mathematical impossibility. Maybe you could save it for two or three generations by increasing the population, but much longer than that the population required to sustain Social Security, (assuming current retirement age, longevity, and worker/retiree ratio) will not fit in the country.

Besides that, just the older family members that these illegals would bring in if they became citizens would probably suck more out of Social Security than they ever would pay into it. And besides that, the taxes required for social programs, education, prisons, medical, infrastructure etc. is more than what would be contributed to Social Security (or any other taxes). Wouldn't it be better to allow people to be responsible for and save for their own retirement by having to pay less in taxes than to make them dependent on government and the Social Security Ponzi scheme? Politicians liking dependence on government might be another reason they are pushing this.

Using Social Security to justify immigration is not fiscally sound and will eventually hit an environmental brick wall -- but, I guess, we will just continue to live in Disneyland as long as the politicians continue to promise something for nothing.

I wouldn't count on too much success in educating illegals to be Americans either. There are just too many of them that think it should be the other way around -- that Americans have been or should be trained to accommodate them. C-SPAN had a segment on this topic today and there was a caller who was a teacher in the trenches in LA teaching mainly illegal immigrants and she pretty much confirmed that.

[kimoajax]

Pure Rove in action.

Typical political strategy of reaching for the votes you don't yet have - cause, after all, your base has no where to go.

Hard to argue it doesn't have a reasoned logic to it. I mean, after all it worked for ole read my lips George didn't it? Hah!

[THUNDER ROAD]

American First, Conservative second and Republican third.

Hey Kay ......I like the way you think !
...and Yes I am Bush Bashing Too !

.....THUNDER......

[kimoajax]

I am just waiting for someone to suggest we begin selling U.S. citizenship like the Romans used to. It makes far more sense than simply giving it away in exchange for hoped for votes.

[TLI]

I've written, e-mailed, and faxed. It never seems to do any good. Both major parties in this country seem hell bent on giving the country away.

It is not going to do any good either. Apparently the Bush administration has decided against the will of American Citizens in this manor. They have been leaking info and floating balloons that indicate they are not going to do a damn thing that even faintly resembles enforcing the law.

If Bush closes the border and forces the illegals to surface that would be one thing to consider. In my estimation, the sun will rise in the west as well. If bush hangs a fresh coat of paint on amnesty, I'm buying ammo after Christmas. $hits commin.

[sinkspur]

Sinkspur what's your take on this, other than bash those who disagree with Bush's latest domestic stinker?

I'll wait until it's official.

This could be another trial balloon, like the last one, that didn't pan out.

Lots of hysteria on this thread.

[sinkspur]

Bet on what?

That 80 million white people will stay home on Nov. 4, unless, of course, you're referring to Democrats who may be too demoralized to vote for Howard Dean.

[Lady Eileen]

bump

[Nebr FAL owner]

THE ONLY THING AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP IS GOOD FOR IS TO PAY EVERYBODY ELSE'S BILL'S!!!!!!!THIS BIT OF NONSENSE PROVES IT YET AGAIN!!!!!

[Holden Magroin]

Polls consistently show that an overwhelmingly majority of Americans opposes amnesty, wants to stop illegal immigration, and even wants to reduce legal immigration. State legislatures are under intense pressure to raise taxes because there aren't enough schools to accomodate the rapidly growing immigrant population.

Yet Bush and his politically tone-deaf handlers are now proposing to open the floodgates. Country-club Republicans and the big corporations they cater to could care less about the crushing burdens their dream of an open border with Mexico would impose on the American people.

Enough is enough. Conservatives have become to the Republican Party what blacks are to the Democratic Party. We are constantly taken for granted, condescended to, and treated like lepers. Conservatives need to send the GOP a Christmas card: either get with the program or go down in defeat.

[vladog]

I agree my with you.

Also I've noticed a lot of 'so called' Conservatives on this board who seem to think the problem with the illegals is not a problem.

[viaveritasvita]

Amazing-annoying-frightening-they-should-be-ashamed-of-themselves-Reagan-did-it-and-it-failed-phone-those-boneheads-in-Washington-to-demand-the-obvious BUMP.

Notes to self: Send to private email distribution this weekend. Make phone calls when the elitists come back from yet another taxpayer funded "break." Locate letter written to GW on 9/10/01 telling him exactly what you thought about amnesty then and update it.

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[4.1O dana super trac pak]

Bump and done.

[deport]

Perot....... lol .. 3rd party or no 3rd party, the next President will come from either the Democrat or Republican Party.....

Yep ol' Perot with his crazy aunt got almost 20 million votes and just under 19%.... no where near the 80 million you are hyping but can't provide any links/sources to.....

Perot got Zero Electoral College votes of the 270 needed to be elected... 80 million going to set it out.... lol.

How many registered voters do you think there are?

[deport]

Bush is alienating millions and millions of white people with his immigration fiasco policies. Approximately 80 million white people will stay home next November 4.

Just what part of 80 million am I misreading? I've asked you provide sources/links to a number like that and you can't or haven't so far. It's not me throwing around numbers [80 million] that can't be proven. Bye bye.....

[winker]

Homeland Security has added a BILLION DOLLARS a week to an already bloated spending plan and now wants to "CRADLE TO THE GRAVE" adopt 20 MILLION more Illegal Border Jumping Criminal ILLEGAL ALIENS! If ridge and the Bush Administration cave in to Vincente Fox's Mexican Gambit I am calling for IMPEACHMENT for every member of Congress who votes for this criminal legislation ...Period!

This is the absolute end of the road for the budget busting policies this Administration keeps coming up with. There is a limit to the type of TAXATION we will be obligated to support. I am calling for the end of the Nanny State Politics and Sugar Daddy Taxation that comes with no REPRESENTATION. It is now put up or shut up from here on out. There is simply no end to the ridiculous and oughtright thivery going on at the National Level of our Government.

It is unrealistic for "WE THE PEOPLE" to continue to get jerked around on all this and then be expected to support TAX SUPPORTED Legislation across the board with little or actually NO REPRESENTATION IN CONGRESS. There absolutely has to be a Blue Ribbon Oversight Pannel put in place to stop this evil plan dead in its tracks. The President is apparently getting and giving bad advice and the American people are going to be the worse off for allowing legislation of this kind to proceed. GWB was Govenor of Texas and OUR/MY state requires a balanced budget to operate legaly. It is now very much past time for the Federal Government to be put on a forced Capital Budget and start setting the example this nation needs to become FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE by controlling FEDERAL EXPENDITURES.

The un-controlled federal spending binge we have been on has now become a pronounced severe danger to ur national survival. There is a limit that we have to clamp down with and say this far and no more! Our wastefulness is a National Shame that has got to be ended and we must learn to live within our means and cut out defecit spending before America is totally BANKRUPT physically and with us already morally Bankrupt this spells doom for our Country. These people know exactly what they are doing; they cannot blame ignorance or any such nonsense. Power of this magnatitude in the wrong hands has got to be reigned in and put out of business. This will be the end if "WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT DEMAND A CHANGE"!