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To: WhiskeyPapa; wattsmag2
because the intent, as Madison said, was to have the power flow form all the people.

Madison did no such thing, Walt. How'd your Vols do?

228 posted on 01/03/2004 6:38:44 PM PST by Gianni
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To: Gianni
because the intent, as Madison said, was to have the power flow form all the people.

Madison did no such thing, Walt.

Yes he did; from a letter to George Washington:

"To give a new system its proper validity and energy, a ratification must be obtained from the people, and not merely from the ordination of the Legislatures. This will be the more essential, as inroads on the existing Constitutions of the States will be unavoidable."

April 16th, 1787

Washington had written Madison:

"Let prejudices, unreasonable jealousies, and local interest yield to reason and liberality. Let us look to our National character, and to things beyond the present period. No morn ever dawned more favourably than ours did; and no day was ever more clouded than the present! Wisdom, and good examples are necessary at this time to rescue the political machine from the impending storm. Virginia has now an opportunity to set the latter, and has enough of the former, I hope, to take the lead in promoting this great and arduous work. Without some alteration in our political creed, the superstructure we have been seven years raising at the expence of so much blood and treasure, must fall. We are fast verging to anarchy and confusion! ... What stronger evidence can be given of the want of energy in our governments than these disorders? If there exists not a power to check them, what security has a man for life, liberty, or property? To you, I am sure I need not add aught on this subject, the consequences of a lax, or inefficient government, are too obvious to be dwelt on. Thirteen Sovereignties pulling against each other, and all tugging at the foederal head will soon bring ruin on the whole; whereas a liberal, and energetic Constitution, well guarded and closely watched, to prevent incroachments, might restore us to that degree of respectability and consequence, to which we had a fair claim, and the brightest prospect of attaining."

The framers clearly wanted a more powerful government. President Lincoln had nothing to do with it.

How'd your Vols do?

They lost their poise and were humiliated.

Walt

243 posted on 01/04/2004 2:59:55 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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