[FITZ]

Yes we've got open borders --- in fact many will claim that they can not be closed ---- neither the northern nor the southern border because they're 2000 miles long.

[Luis Gonzalez]

When yo base an argument in an obvious lie, or a transparant gfallacy, your argument, however valid it may be, falls apart.

The U.S. Birder Patrol apprehended in excess of 1 million people attempting to enter the US illegally in fiscal 2001, the numbers are slightly lower d=for 2002.

Those numbers destroy the entire "we have open borders" claptrap.