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To: bondserv
Those words of our DOI parse just as well, and mean the same, if we eliminate the references to creators:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are equal, that they are endowed with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Men need no 'authorities' to establish our rights, Bondserv..

-- In effect, as Going Hot observes, -- our self-evident rights are established by being willing to die for them.
50 -tpaine-





bondserv wrote:
A bigger Gun always establishes rights.

Unless of course a people acknowledge a superior being whose truth's transcend any man's ideas of right and wrong.

Ala the United States Founding Fathers!
Many wish to change this with faulty logic and TORT lawyering from the NYU School of Law.






Nope, you have it backwards:

Acknowledging 'the authority' of superior beings "whose truth's transcend any man's ideas of right and wrong" only encourage some men to grant themseves such godlike powers. -- Such -- 'authorities', in using a bigger gun, only violate our rights in bigger ways.

60 posted on 12/25/2003 9:09:17 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Santa in me. Merry Xmas!)
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To: tpaine
Are you familiar where the concept of freedom originated.

Hint: It wasn't the Ancient Greeks, nor the Romans, nor the Colonial English.




Answer: A universally God Fearing group of colonists that chose to try to establish a society ruled by principles laid out in the Christian Holy Bible. Freedom in Christ. A Triune government developed by a Biblically Literate group of men drawing from the Majesty of Judeo-Christian Scriptures.

If you can't acknowledge this, perhaps you should spend a couple months looking into our countries founders. Here.

61 posted on 12/25/2003 10:18:28 PM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical.)
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