Mexican Troops Fire on U.S. Border Watchers

www.newsmax.com ^ | Dec. 23, 2003 | Jon E. Dougherty

[ought-six]

"They are going to hurt the border reform movement far more than they will help it. I wish these whackjobs would go find another hobby before someone gets hurt."

I see. So is it your position that we should just allow an armed incursion by agents of a foreign government to threaten us with impunity?

[HiJinx]

Of course, that's just silly me, what would I know?

Honestly? No more than half the story. Jack Foote isn't the only one doing something about the invasion down here.

And Sheriff Dever was one of the first to go to Capitol Hill and try to tell those idiots how bad the situation is down here. He's screaming to both county and state officials to beef up his budget so he can protect us, and is getting nowhere.

Finally, how do you propose a sheriff's deputy (singular) stop a platoon of Mexican soldiers armed with AK-47s and RPKs? Remember, the Sheriff doesn't have the funding to go out and arm his deputies with anything more than a sidearm and a shotgun...and maybe a few AR-15s.

Would you suggest we offer up a deputy or two as martyrs in order to make our point? Won't work...we've already lost at least one LEO that I know of. There was absolutely no change until the I-10 shootout occured.

[archy]

One wonders why these guys don't have cameras and video recorders. Any good divorce PI would have lots of pictures.

They do have. But when the Mexicans were caught on this side in a van with a squad full of G3 assault rifles near San Diego, the Border Patrol covered it up, gave the invaders back their loaded weapons, and escorted them back to Mexico.

[Choose Ye This Day]

My guess, too. Not that it couldn't happen...not that it hasn't happened before...but in this particular instance, it's doubtful.

[Spiff]

I see. So is it your position that we should just allow an armed incursion by agents of a foreign government to threaten us with impunity?

No.

[JackelopeBreeder]

There are several problems with this story. I believe the Mexican Army uses a mix of US and NATO arms, not AKs and such. If the incident really happened, it was more likely to be cartel enforcers.

[PoorMuttly]

WAR

...and I'm freakin' SERIOUS !!!

[Spiff]

They do have. But when the Mexicans were caught on this side in a van with a squad full of G3 assault rifles near San Diego, the Border Patrol covered it up, gave the invaders back their loaded weapons, and escorted them back to Mexico.

I never said the San Diego incident did not happen. Nor did I say the recent kidnapping by Mexican policy of a Texas family didn't happen. I know of other border incursions, incidents, and such that have happened.

However, I'm not inclined to believe Foote on this one. His track record is not well established and something doesn't quite sound right about this one.

[ought-six]

"That makes them fair targets for any US citizen in my book."

Yup.

[Tauzero]

Whackjobs are the inevitable result of the fedgov not doing its job.

[Spiff]

There are several problems with this story. I believe the Mexican Army uses a mix of US and NATO arms, not AKs and such. If the incident really happened, it was more likely to be cartel enforcers.

Bingo. Now that I might believe as it wouldn't be the first time that cartel enforcers have been seen in the area with AKs. Foote just wanted a bigger story, perhaps, and made up the Army fatigue stuff.

What's your take on Foote and his bunch?

[HiJinx]

That's more scary to me than Mexican Army...

I would suspect (naively?) that the Army would show some restraint in firing up Americans, whereas the cartel wouldn't.

But then, doesn't this reinforce the call for professional troops on our side of the border?

[Cagey]

Foote is not trustworthy and very much on the fringe.

And too often, the same can be said about NewsMax. I could call them tomorrow and tell them a submarine full of Poles just docked behind my house and they'd run the story. They'd embellish it a bit too.

[ysoitanly]

Can I just say a few things about a few 'semi-victories' we have had by screaming out in letters, faxes, phone calls, and donations?

1. S1685 - Basic Pilot Extension Act, which expands worker validation programs from 5 to 50 states, extended to go another 5 years. Requires employers to verify LEGAL status of their workers or face fines. Sounds great? Yes, we did win. But the EMPLOYERS are not enforcing this. It's the law NOW - repealed before under X42 and we need to make sure our representatives made sure it was reinstated and it's enforced.

2. HR775 - eliminating the VISA lottery. It's LAW now, but you have to keep telling your people to enforce it. Fought against for two years, but finally passed.

The only answer here is to make sure your lawmakers know about this and enforce the law. Here, Arizona, wherever.

[joesnuffy]

Those look like FALs to me

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

The time for talk is over!Talk only helps the enemy(mexicans).Mexicans shooting over here is an act of aggression and war.

[archy]

Washington did not immediately respond

We'll see a full-fledged war along the border (citizens against the insurgents), if Washington doesn't start responding.

Maybe the government in Washington is no longer the one in control in that area. Having abandoned its citizens and abrogated its responsibilities to them, perhaps it's time for the USA to experience a governmental breakup like that the Soviet Union experienced in 1991.

If so, the causis belli certainly exists for those in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado and California's border areas. And a few others, as well.

[Tacis]

Hey, watch yourself! Presidente Fox really, really doesn't like it when he sends Mexican soldiers to make a special dope delivery in the US and they are annoyed in any way. Fox gets a major premium for this special delivery service/guarantee and it hurts further "special" arrangements when one is noticed.

The really top delivery, of course, is via armed Mexican Hummers. That is really expensive and Fox saves that for his very purest stuff and his biggest/best customers. But, if you want half a ton of the good stuff delevered to Phoenix, in person, and can pay Presidente Fox his price, it'll be there (the top of the line Mexican party pack comes with Cuban cigars and a couple of cases of fine tequilla).

There can't be any other reason that this border is so porous. Alas, it will take several terrorist attacks, launched from Mexico by Saudis moving tons of material and hundreds of agents. Who but a handful of brave citizen/patriots is there to stop them?

[B4Ranch]

"I give the Mexican Army three days warning"

?? How about 3 HOURS. Mexico has radio and telecommunication systems.

"Jack Foote,(snip)a reconnaissance squad of his volunteers squad spotted two armed Mexican soldiers" (snip)

Just to show how ignorant I am, If self defense is legal in the US, (whiich it is) I would have fired back once I had the squad out of the open area. Yes, I would have aimed for the head of anyone I determined was a threat to me. Let the Mexican sargent/officer explain to his General that the Yanks are finally shooting back and have killed one of his men.

Maybe with a serious international incident, President Bush might just get his head out of the sand and start listening to his base of conservative voters.

Why is it okay for them to kill American citizens and we can't even shoot back?

[archy]

However, I'm not inclined to believe Foote on this one. His track record is not well established and something doesn't quite sound right about this one.

BTW, the AKs sound more like Mexican police, not army. But that may have changed with recent events, and Mexican troops may have been trying to impress their important visitors and new friends.