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Prosecutors Can Examine Limbaugh Records
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Posted on 12/23/2003 7:42:00 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs

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To: cherry
From what Roy Black said in court yesterday, Rush might lose the mansion. Black stated that Cline 'bled him dry'.
201 posted on 12/23/2003 11:21:52 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Dean, a constant critic of the war now left looking like a monkey whose organ grinder had run away.)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I admire Rush.

I think this is a witch-hunt.

I think there is a double-standard being applied.

I think it's wrong for the gubmint to access Rush's private medical records.

I think this whole thing is being driven by the left's hatred for the right. "Getting Rush" is a "victory" they could claim for years.

That said, it seems the prosecutors will be able to dig through Rush's files anyway. I hope they don't find anything bad. But if they do find evidence which proves beyond a doubt in a court of law that Rush committed an illegal act, he must be held accountable.
202 posted on 12/23/2003 11:24:43 AM PST by k2blader (I will shake the nations, and the desired of all nations will come. - Haggai 2:7 -)
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To: PJ-Comix
I know he was addicted; but that isn't the question here; somewhere along the line, his doctors decided his medical problem didn't require medication anymore -- unless they realized he was addicted and tried to get him to stop by cutting him off.

Rush has said he had a legitimate reason for taking those drugs, leaving aside the fact that he was getting them illegally; obviously his doctors did not agree, hence Rush went looking for a doctor or doctors that would give them to him.

Addiction is not a legitimate reason for getting drugs illegally, either from numerous doctors or on the blackmarket.
203 posted on 12/23/2003 11:25:29 AM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: cherry
In terms of INCOME TAX, owning property is a wise decision. His yearly salary is several million, he has higher security requirements then the average Joe, so therefore, his home would cost more than your usual $150-200k home.

Furthermore, it's really none o' our business how he spends his money (in terms of boats, homes, etc.).

204 posted on 12/23/2003 11:29:51 AM PST by JENINMO
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To: Egregious Philbin
He certainly spoke of drug abuse as a criminal problem before.

I've listened to Rush for years and can't recall him being on a big anti-drug kick. I find it suspicious that the media keeps rehashing a quote (made in jest) from years ago about the need to arrest more white drug users just to keep things racially balanced.

205 posted on 12/23/2003 11:39:55 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Scoutmaster
Well counselor, maybe you had better go back and read the law. Here, let me help you:
(f) Standard: Disclosures for law enforcement purposes. A covered 
entity may disclose protected health information for a law enforcement 
purpose to a law enforcement official if the conditions in paragraphs 
(f)(1) through (f)(6) of this section are met, as applicable.
    (1) Permitted disclosures: Pursuant to process and as otherwise 
required by law. A covered entity may disclose protected health 
information:
    (i) As required by law including laws that require the reporting of 
certain types of wounds or other physical injuries, except for laws 
subject to paragraph (b)(1)(ii) or (c)(1)(i) of this section; or
    (ii) In compliance with and as limited by the relevant requirements 
of:
    (A) A court order or court-ordered warrant, or a subpoena or summons 
issued by a judicial officer;
    (B) A grand jury subpoena; or
    (C) An administrative request, including an administrative subpoena 
or summons, a civil or an authorized investigative demand, or similar 
process authorized under law, provided that:
    (1) The information sought is relevant and material to a legitimate 
law enforcement inquiry;
    (2) The request is specific and limited in scope to the extent 
reasonably practicable in light of the purpose for which the information 
is sought; and
    (3) De-identified information could not reasonably be used.
    (2) Permitted disclosures: Limited information for identification 
and location purposes. Except for disclosures required by law as 
permitted by paragraph (f)(1) of this section, a covered entity may 
disclose protected health information in response to a law enforcement 
official's request for such information for the purpose of identifying 
or locating a suspect, fugitive, material witness, or missing person, 
provided that:
    (i) The covered entity may disclose only the following information:
    (A) Name and address;
    (B) Date and place of birth;
    (C) Social security number;
    (D) ABO blood type and rh factor;
    (E) Type of injury;
    (F) Date and time of treatment;
    (G) Date and time of death, if applicable; and
    (H) A description of distinguishing physical characteristics, 
including height, weight, gender, race, hair and eye color, presence or 
absence of facial hair (beard or moustache), scars, and tattoos.
    (ii) Except as permitted by paragraph (f)(2)(i) of this section, the 
covered entity may not disclose for the purposes of identification or 
location under paragraph (f)(2) of this section any protected health 
information related to the individual's DNA or DNA analysis, dental 
records, or typing, samples or analysis of body fluids or tissue.

It says "administrative request", and doesn't require any kind of subpoena or other process, the way I read it.

And is not a secretary technically a "law enforcement official"?

206 posted on 12/23/2003 11:40:51 AM PST by snopercod (I am waiting for the rebirth of wonder.)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Rush will persevere ~ Go Rush!

Be Well ~ Be Armed ~ Be Safe ~ Molon Labe!
207 posted on 12/23/2003 12:00:27 PM PST by blackie
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To: Solson
One leak, minor or major, by the prosecutor's office will unleash a torrent of lawsuits by Limbaugh's legal team. In the end, Rush might own Palm Beach.

Good. Maybe he can teach them how to vote.

208 posted on 12/23/2003 12:03:58 PM PST by madison10
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To: E.G.C.
BTTT!!!!!!
209 posted on 12/23/2003 12:07:06 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Liberty Valance
Oops, I forgot, Rush bears no responsibility whatsoever for the situation.
210 posted on 12/23/2003 12:07:30 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: PJ-Comix
I've listened to Rush for years and can't recall him being on a big anti-drug kick

Henican: Rush Limbaugh's words come back to haunt By Ellis Henican

Let's all admit something."

Rush Limbaugh was on his usual tear.

"There's nothing good about drug use," he was saying. "We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."

And this includes zillionaire radio hosts?

Hmmm ...

When you have a talk-radio show 15 hours a week, you have an awful lot of air to fill. On this particular day, which was Oct. 5, 1995, Rush was roaring about the scourge of illegal drug use.

Even though blacks and whites break the drug laws in roughly equal percentages, he noted, black druggies go to prison far more often than white druggies do. But to the liberal-bashing host, this was no reason to ease up on blacks.

"What this says to me," he told his listeners that day, "is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."

Including zillionaire radio hosts?

Well, maybe not.

What a week it's been for Rush.

First, he gets chased out of ESPN in a racial furor. Then, he is accused in Florida of buying thousands of powerful painkillers from an illegal drug-selling ring.

OxyContin. Hydrocodone. Highly addictive opiates. A gargantuan number of pills over several years -- almost 100 a day on one 47-day binge. His 42-year-old housekeeper, Wilma Cline, says she dealt the closely controlled pills to America's top-rated syndicated radio host. Some were hidden under his mattress so his wife wouldn't find them. Others were passed in a Denny's parking lot.

The story was broken by the National Enquirer, but it's already burst into the mainstream media. Secret tapes. Incriminating e-mails. Twice, Limbaugh reportedly checked himself into rehab -- and later relapsed.

What will the conservative listeners think?

What pain, what disappointment, what insecurity could explain something like this? The talker wasn't talking about that Thursday.

Understandably so.

Another public moralist had been caught in a personal jam. And Rush's words were coming back to haunt him.

The constant digs at Bill Clinton not inhaling.

The heartless shrug when Jerry Garcia died.

"'When you strip it all away," Rush had said of the Grateful Dead guitarist, "Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks."

Rush Limbaugh isn't the first prominent finger-pointer to eat his own words. It wasn't so long ago that Bill Bennett was explaining how an anti-vice crusader could also be a degenerate gambler.

And Jeb Bush, the president's brother and Rush's governor, was pleading for leniency and privacy when his daughter was arrested for drugs. Yet he'd been happily sending other Florida youngsters to long prison terms for similar crimes.

Typical.

But there in the dusty Limbaugh archives one glimmer of sanity did appear Thursday.

It came from 1998, just about the time Wilma Cline's black-market drug ring was revving up. Rush was on the radio. He was talking about America's "half-baked" war on drugs.

We might all be better off, he said quite plainly, if drugs were legalized -- and then regulated like cigarettes.

"What is missing in the drug fight," he said, "is legalization. If we want to go after drugs with the same fervor and intensity with which we go after cigarettes, let's legalize drugs. Legalize the manufacture of drugs. License the Cali cartel. Make them taxpayers and then sue them. Sue them left and right and then get control of the price and generate tax revenue from it. Raise the price sky high and fund all sorts of other wonderful social programs."

Was he serious? I'm not sure.

But the timing is interesting, you'd have to say. And I'll bet he quotes those words again.

211 posted on 12/23/2003 12:12:50 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Dean, a constant critic of the war now left looking like a monkey whose organ grinder had run away.)
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To: ContemptofCourt
Just got back in. And just exactly where have I "blindly defended Rush" as you assert? I have been posting AMA confidentiality guidelines. Get a grip.
212 posted on 12/23/2003 12:16:56 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Unfortunately, many of our cherished ideals on freedom are suspended when drugs are involved.
213 posted on 12/23/2003 12:21:16 PM PST by ellery
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To: GB
I couldn't agree more. His lack of candor, not his behavior is why I suspect his popularity will begin to decline.
214 posted on 12/23/2003 12:24:16 PM PST by Golden Buffalo (golden buffalo)
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To: snopercod
Administrative request is a broad and vague term. A subpoena, especially in a civil case, is frighteningly easy to obtain. What is your point?
215 posted on 12/23/2003 12:24:17 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: MississippiMan
I don't know about Palm Beach, but a quick google turned up these two recent references from Florida -- this, from by no means a comprehensive search.

"In addition, Sheriff’s detectives arrest 28 St. Lucie County residents on prescription fraud, “doctorshopping” and other drug-related offenses."
http://www.stluciesheriff.com/annual-report/2001/ar_2001_11-15.pdf

"In July, 24 people were arrested as part of a drug sting in St. Lucie County, where law enforcement and pharmacies cooperated to disrupt an informal distribution network. Most of the 24 who were arrested were once legitimately ill or disabled and living off Social Security or veteran’s benefits that enabled them to get prescriptions."
FDLE Office of Statewide Intelligence Prescription Drug Abuse – August 2001
http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:NiC8jgWB6LcJ:www.fdle.state.fl.us/OSI/CrimeBriefs/RxAbuse.pdf+oxycontin+arrest+statistics&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
216 posted on 12/23/2003 12:25:33 PM PST by ellery
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To: Peach
You post AMA guidelines without even reading them in toto in an attempt to refute a point which goes against Rush. You get a grip.
217 posted on 12/23/2003 12:26:13 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: alrea
Socialism and Fascism can and often do meld into one...
SOCIALISM... is the collective control of all aspects of society...
FASCISM... is an Authoritarian political movement.

The 'RATS are prosecuting Limbaugh for obvious political reasons.

218 posted on 12/23/2003 12:26:31 PM PST by Bob Eimiller (Kennedy..Kerry..Leahy...Pelosi..Kucinich.."Catholics" who Promote Partial Birth Abortion.)
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To: ContemptofCourt
So posting AMA confidentiality guidelines, some of which I quoted in my posts, by the way and most certainly DID read, is taken by you to mean I am blindly defending Rush?

Please. This is WHY lawyers stay in business. Those guidelines contradict themselves in several places and can be read any number of ways, which is how lawyers and judges stay in business.

I also posted how the law changed this year, with very little fanfare. The new law makes it easier for LE to access records. Previously, it was VERY difficult. Not impossible, merely difficult.

Your tone is not particularly appreciated that I'm blindly supporting anyone and that I haven't read the AMA guidelines, which I've not only read but quoted from.

We will have to agree to disagree about why I was posting those guidelines and what you think it means.
219 posted on 12/23/2003 12:30:34 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: k2blader
Just heard via tape-delay Rush's first segment on the continuing investigation and had to append my comments in #202.

Per Rush's official statement, "These records will show that there was no doctor shopping. But the larger issue is that the seizure of Mr. Limbaugh's private medical records without going through the process outlined by the state legislature is clearly an invasion of Mr. Limbaugh's constitutional right to privacy. Mr. Limbaugh was not Dr. Shopping."

The statement goes on to say that the state has been leaking bogus info on the case to the media.

These are bold and very straightforward words, spoken by a very confident el Rushbo. I assume they are true. It would make absolutely no sense to say "Mr. Limbaugh was not Dr. Shopping" if it were not actually true.

Things are still looking up for Rush!

220 posted on 12/23/2003 12:32:18 PM PST by k2blader (I will shake the nations, and the desired of all nations will come. - Haggai 2:7 -)
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