[Havoc]

Yep, has been for a long time. If we can tell the wheat from the chaff by what they teach, imagine God's dismay.
It's a real downer to listen to some of these guys sometimes. Not just because they speak that which God never spoke and claim it his; but, because they are so blind they may never come to the truth. Not my concern, it's gotta fit God's plan somewhere; but, it is nonetheless a shame.

Grace and peace from God our father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

[mitch5501]

"It's a real downer to listen to some of these guys sometimes. Not just because they speak that which God never spoke and claim it his; but, because they are so blind they may never come to the truth."

And they are the teachers! no wonder folks can sit in pews for 20+ years and basically learn nothing.

Honestly...I reckon I had more of a grasp of what christianity was about when I was an atheist compared to too many church-goers.

I hear your respect for God's word and know that although there probably are things we would disagree on,we definentaly speak the same language.The fragrance of life is good.

On the subject of this thread,I once read (sorry can't remember where)that many were doing what Peter once did...sitting warming himself by the 'fire' but when the pressure is on denying their Lord.

I know I myself still can and do...however..."I am persuaded..." thank God!

"the captian of our salvation shall lead many sons to glory"

see you there 8-)