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Plato was right to regard the education and civilization of spirited males as the sine qua non of a decent political order.

Plato however did not live in a society which was deluding itself that there really was no such thing as manliness. In Plato's culture a man was defined. In order to teach boys how to be men we MUST have a definition of a Man. Definitions are absolute and therefore politically incorrect

Up until 30 years ago a man was defined and shaped by our own American culture. But since then we are, in certain circumstances even threatened with official sanction, if we act or believe as men did as little as 30 or 40 yrs ago.

Whats more we will even accept the predictable and preventable DEATH of men in order to maintain the utterly indefensible and discredited idea that there is no REAL differences between males and females. We will even allow the erosion of our rights in the same demented persuit of equality. Last week, as reported in the NYPost, a female cop gunned down a berserk man who was unarmed and who had charged her. No one said a word about the PATENTLY illegal use of a firearm--and THAT I believe is a first.

If we go so far as to admit any sort of actual manly sphere by defining a man, we might then then preclude that female cops presence on the force. Unless of course we made up a definition out of whole cloth--but no one would buy that, which is RIOTOUSLY funny when you consider what this stupid and getting stupider society has demonstrated it willingness believe.

We have left males to define THEMSELVES and they will. We as a society have ceded control, as a group, of male aggression and its employ and its direction. It is left to the individual. God help us.

Me, I can take care of myself, I'm not afraid of anyone, but if I were not such a person I'd be damned worried about whats coming in the next few years.

Start packing heat, ladies, like the cop cited above.

"Plato however did not live in a society which was deluding itself that there really was no such thing as manliness. In Plato's culture a man was defined. In order to teach boys how to be men we MUST have a definition of a Man. Definitions are absolute and therefore politically incorrect."

I think it is worse than that. I think that in fact "we" as a culture or society have decided that a true man (I am thinking of GW Bush here. You know the cowboy....etc.) is repugnant. It is sad as my son lives in Seattle and is chronicly verbally abused by women when he does the polite thing such as opening a door or giving up his seat on the bus. He is only 26years old and is very frustrated that his "manners" are taken for insult.