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To: angkor
"I guess I'm mystified about the means of declaring war without a Declaration Of War (and I'm capitalizing that phrase to distinguish as a formal process, which it clearly is)."

Sure, it's a formal process. It requires a vote, but it doesn't require the use of the words "Declare War".

"Point is, there is nothing formal in the phrase "state of war" where there is a very specific meaning to "Declaration Of War," since that is what Congress is called upon to do: declare war."

Actually, the phrase "state of war" has international recognition. The Geneva Conventions, treaties that have become "law of the land" by act of Congress are replete with that term.

"And that in fact is what results" a Delaration Of War, e.g., Congressional Declaration of War on Germany, December 11, 1941."

Actually, it was a Joint Resolution, just like this one. Only minor difference is that it included the term "Declare War".

"Congress can recognize a "state of war," "a melieu of war," "a condition of war", or whatever they'd like to call it, because it has no specific formal meaning in law,..."

When Congress ratified the Geneva Conventions, the term "state of war" become a part of our law.

"No, and I won't, because I can't even fathom what you're arguing and the exercise would thus be pointless."

Well, then, why are you even posting to a thread where you admit you haven't bothered to inform yourself?

These are serious matters of international law and treaty. You should take the time to become informed.
309 posted on 12/19/2003 4:52:11 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: DugwayDuke
Actually, the phrase "state of war" has international recognition. The Geneva Conventions

That is a lie. That particular linguistic construction has international recognition as a matter of contention, not unanimity.

And neither the U.S. Constitution nor the CFR acknowledges this bogus phrase "state of war".

You're making it up, and it has no meaning in either U.S. or international law. Nobody knows what it means, legally.

Congressional Declaration of War on Germany, December 11, 1941."

Lie #2. Look it up. The actual wording of the bill is "Declaration Of War."

I haven't said it before but will finally say it now" you guys have been lying since post #1.

Why?

313 posted on 12/19/2003 8:39:08 PM PST by angkor
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