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To: lepton
I read the opinion and the dissent. I am not an attorney so I really don't know the laws involved. But after you get passed all their arguments about what the definition of "is" is in order to conclude that Gitmo is sovereign US territory, they seem to be arguing the principle that there should be / are no circumstances under which the US Govt can detain people indefinitely without due process.

Okay. On an emotional level I can see that principle. But ... these people are illegal combatants and its my understanding that we may have had the legal right, under international treaty and US laws of war, to summarily execute them without ever taking them prisoner. The concept of legal due process for people making illegal war against us seems absurd to me.

The principle they argue seems to hold that if they had landed a 10,000 strong army in southern California and commenced military operations against us, all while wearing civilian clothes and not acting under the command of a state army, that each and every one of them would be entitled to protections under our courts and could hire lawyers to argue that they were just innocent bystanding illegal aliens awaiting their new CA drivers licenses and matricula cards. All because they happened to be on US soil.

Would we actually have to provide due process for invaders? Is there no body of law or international treaty that prevents detained combatants from using the very protections they are fighting against to further their cause?

I can see an absolute requirement that US citizens taken into custody in the US have an unquestioned right to due process. I can see that no government should have the right to conduct rifle shot abductions on foreign soil. But with regards to combatants in a war zone I just can't believe there is no law allowing us to detain people for military purposes as the military sees fit.
253 posted on 12/18/2003 5:34:15 PM PST by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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To: cdrw
I also have read the opinion and the dissent and believe that there is little question that the Supreme Court will take up this appeal, as they are already considering the very question themselves.

I believe that this decision of the 9th is a tempest in a teapot. Nothing is going to come of it. The decision was a waste of taxpayer time, trees for the paper and bandwidth.

263 posted on 12/18/2003 7:28:38 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Sic Semper Tyrannus)
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