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Libertarian Harry Browne: Bush Did Not Liberate Iraq
HarryBrowne.org ^ | Dec 15, 2003 | Harry Browne

Posted on 12/17/2003 8:04:12 PM PST by Commie Basher

Sunday's capture of Saddam Hussein made it a great day — a great day for empty rhetoric and meaningless posturing by politicians and journalists.

Somehow it was assumed by politicians and the press, without explanation, that Hussein's capture has vindicated the Bush administration's attack on Iraq. But from September 2002 to March 2003, George Bush said nothing about capturing Saddam Hussein. Instead, Bush talked incessantly about weapons of mass destruction and Iraq's ability to attack the U.S. with them — as well as Al Qaeda camps in the Iraqi desert. How does finding Saddam Hussein make Bush's claims any more true than they were last week?

We're told that that the Iraqis can see now that Saddam Hussein isn't coming back to power — as though they couldn't figure that out for themselves with 130,000 foreign troops occupying their country.

But in the wonderland occupied by politicians and journalists, the capture of Hussein must mean that all the resisters — also known as "loyalists of the old regime" — would have no more reason to resist.

Some politicians said that if anti-war protesters had their gotten way, Hussein would be in his palace today, instead of in jail. Yes, and if the anti-war protesters had gotten their way, several hundred Americans and thousands of Iraqis would be alive today, instead of dead.

The press played its part in the celebration. Wolf Blitzer of CNN said that Hussein's capture proves to the world that "the President of the United States means business" — whatever that means.

In fact, we've known all along that George Bush means business — the business of getting reelected.

There were plenty of TV pictures of Iraqis firing AK-47s into the air. But no inquiring minds bothered to ask how everyday Iraqis could be carrying AK-47s out in the open, when the American occupiers have imposed strict gun-control edicts and are at war with resisters.

What if Saddam Hussein says that all the dreaded Weapons of Mass Destruction were destroyed years ago? Well, we know that George Bush believes in preemptive strikes, and he's already made one on this front. On Monday, he said of Hussein:

He’s a liar. He’s a torturer. He’s a murderer. . . . He’s a — he’s just — he is what he is: He’s a person that was willing to destroy his country and to kill a lot of his fellow citizens. He’s a person who used weapons of mass destruction against citizens in his own country. And so it’s — he is the kind of person that is untrustworthy and I’d be very cautious about relying upon his word in any way, shape or form.

In other words, "Believe him only if he confirms what I've been telling you for the past year."

Liberation

Donald Rumsfeld said that Hussein's capture means that the Iraqis can now be free in spirit, as well as in fact.

Ah yes, liberated Iraq. It is now a free country. George Bush has liberated it.

How has Iraq been liberated? Let me count the ways . . .

1. The country is occupied by a foreign power.

2. Its officials are appointed by that foreign power.

3. Its citizens must carry ID cards.

4. They must submit to searches of their persons and cars at checkpoints and roadblocks.

5. They must be in their homes by curfew time.

6. Many towns are ringed with barbed wire.

7. The occupiers have imposed strict gun-control laws, preventing ordinary citizens from defending themselves — making robberies, rapes, and assaults quite common.

8. Trade with some countries is banned by the occupying authorities.

9. The occupiers have decreed that certain electoral outcomes won't be permitted.

10. Families are held hostage until they reveal the whereabouts of wanted resisters — much like the Nazis held innocent French people hostage during World War II.

11. Protests are outlawed.

12. Private homes are raided or demolished — with no due process of law.

13. The occupiers have created a fiat currency and imposed it on the populace.

14. Newspapers, radio stations, and TV are all supervised by the occupiers.

This is liberation in the NewSpeak language of politics.

Words like freedom just don't seem to mean what they used to, do they?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1gawdwhatanasshole; bush; harrybrowne; iraq; iraqwar; liberaltarians; libertarianparty; libertarians; losertarians; punklibertarians; saddamhussein; smurfs
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To: Republican Wildcat
Now, now, don't go trying to change the context of the discussion.

Military adventurism is the context of the discussion. We're in this war now because American troops were sent to the other side of the globe to re-install a King to his throne.

I'll ask more directly: Do you agree with Browne's premise that Saddam Hussein should have remained in power?

Browne's premise isn't that Saddam should remain in power, but that the expense and unintended consequences of America removing him aren't worth it to Americans. With that I concur. I couldn't really care less about Saddam Hussien.

121 posted on 12/17/2003 9:57:16 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
Yeah, American troops in the Middle East had nothing to do with it.....

Right you are, the American troop presence did force the Terrorists to work "underground" and it did deter outward attacks greatly.

Oh, excuse me! You expect us to believe that our troops presence is what actually caused the Arabic hate for the West?

Unless you are a TROLL and have been geting your "facts" from DU, you had better go back to school and finish your education!

122 posted on 12/17/2003 9:57:25 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Libertarians are LOOOOOOSERS!)
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To: Gunslingr3
Thanks for the reply. I now have all the information I need to gauge your credibility.
123 posted on 12/17/2003 10:04:28 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: BCrago66
Elect a libertarian. Then get blown up by an Islamist. Blow up real good. Where's your liberty then?

Libertarians wouldn't have put U.S. tax dollars and U.S. troops in the Middle East in the first place. Without involving the U.S. in other people's wars, my liberty is fine.

124 posted on 12/17/2003 10:05:27 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
I couldn't really care less about Saddam Hussein.

You just expressed an oxymoron, but we understand what you really meant....

As far as Saddam is concerned, perhaps a million or more Iraqui citizens, who he had executed simply because they did not agree with his political philosophy, would differ with your isolationist indifference.

Personally, being a veteran myself, I truely care about preventing this kind of injustice from occuring in the World. By doing so, I also make my home land a safer place to live in for both you and me!

125 posted on 12/17/2003 10:07:33 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Libertarians are LOOOOOOSERS!)
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To: Commie Basher
This is very sad. I went to see this guy speek and I am still registered a Libertarian to. I feel bad. :(

126 posted on 12/17/2003 10:11:26 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn
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To: Commie Basher
Libertarians are worse than the French.
127 posted on 12/17/2003 10:14:41 PM PST by Drango ("To Serve Man" ... IT'S A COOKBOOK!)
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To: Commie Basher
I always wondered about Harry Browne since he alluded in his book to walking out on his family.
128 posted on 12/17/2003 10:15:56 PM PST by wideminded
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Oh, excuse me! You expect us to believe that our troops presence is what actually caused the Arabic hate for the West?

No, it's just what caused OBL to 'declare war' on the U.S. and start a series of bombings killing Americans.

129 posted on 12/17/2003 10:17:42 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Drango
Libertarians are worse than the French.

LOL, I wish I had thought of that one.

130 posted on 12/17/2003 10:18:49 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Going to see someone speak is nothing...I went to see communist Vandana Shiva speak when she came to my school (for the entertainment value). She made claims such as corporations becoming more involved in agriculture led to the Oklahoma city bombing...it was rather amusing. Actually she made comments on the War on Terrorism quite similar to the philosphy stated by Mr. Browne.
131 posted on 12/17/2003 10:21:38 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Commie Basher
President Harry Browne. What a frightening thought.
132 posted on 12/17/2003 10:24:57 PM PST by beckett
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To: Gunslingr3
So, essentially, we should install a Taliban-style, radical islamist government to deter those attacks. That's not a very powerful argument for protecting liberty.
133 posted on 12/17/2003 10:25:51 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Commie Basher
How has Iraq been liberated? Let me count the ways . . .

In Harry Browne's list of 14 ways in which the U.S. is oppressing the Iraqis, I don't see anything about torture, beheadings, and systematic rapes.

As for gun control (which I am against)--there seemed to be an awful lot of Iraqis running around with guns on Sunday, shooting in the air.

134 posted on 12/17/2003 10:26:28 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I couldn't really care less about Saddam Hussein.

You just expressed an oxymoron, but we understand what you really meant....

Well, it's actually literally true. I could NOT care LESS about Saddam Hussien than I do. If I could care less, it would mean I cared at all, and I don't.

Personally, being a veteran myself, I truely care about preventing this kind of injustice from occuring in the World. By doing so, I also make my home land a safer place to live in for both you and me!

I have no problem with you joining any Abraham Lincoln Brigades you want and going forth to fight in other people's wars. When you want to do it on my dime, and thus put me and my family at risk of retaliation, I have a problem with it.

135 posted on 12/17/2003 10:28:17 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Republican Wildcat
So, essentially, we should install a Taliban-style, radical islamist government to deter those attacks. That's not a very powerful argument for protecting liberty.

The attacks didn't come until we put U.S. troops and U.S. tax dollars in the Middle East. Causality is time sensitive.

136 posted on 12/17/2003 10:32:30 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
The goal is to turn all nations into a radical Islamic state. Our having or not having troops in these areas doesn't change what we aren't. It's obvious you don't have a grasp of the full range of issues involved based on your comments.
137 posted on 12/17/2003 10:44:06 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: jwalsh07
But no inquiring minds bothered to ask how everyday Iraqis could be carrying AK-47s out in the open, when the American occupiers have imposed strict gun-control edicts and are at war with resisters.

Not true. I've seen people openly carrying AK's. In some places the local rulers (mafia) run toll gates on the raodways. They let the military convoys through, of course, since a SAW or .50 cal trump an AK any day of the week. Got to admit I get a little puckered when I see guys walking on the road w/ AK's as I drive by. Bottom line is that Browne has sunk below pathetic in his need for some sort of attention.

138 posted on 12/17/2003 10:54:19 PM PST by Eagle Eye ( Saddam-Who's your Bagh-Daddy now?)
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To: Gunslingr3
Browne's premise isn't that Saddam should remain in power, but that the expense and unintended consequences of America removing him aren't worth it to Americans. With that I concur. I couldn't really care less about Saddam Hussien.

Libertarianism is the politics (religion) of apathy. A society that embraces apathy is a society that has no shame. It is dead, useless, reprobate, decayed.

In my opinion, each person (and society as a whole) has a destiny. Will we do our part to help the dike hold? Or walk away pretending the rising flood of terrorism is just someone else's problem. The Libertarian will cross the street to avoid tripping over the wounded soul to whom a good samaritan will end up helping.

IMO, the Libertarian philosophy is selfish, dispicable, and treacherously unprincipled. The Libertarian will cross the street to avoid tripping over the wounded soul to whom a good samaritan will end up helping.

139 posted on 12/17/2003 11:46:27 PM PST by cilbupeR_eerF
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To: Commie Basher
This irrational rant by Browne makes me glad in that its increasingly clear that the Libertarian party, with this kind of knee-jerk anti-war position, will never siphon votes from the Republican party the way the Green party does from the Democrats.
140 posted on 12/18/2003 12:28:40 AM PST by jagrmeister (I'm not a conservative. I don't seek to conserve, I seek to reform.)
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