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To: Rubber_Duckie_27
As I use an IUD, I agree with you. People do not say that a woman who has endemetriosis is having a miscarriage every time she has a fertilized egg that does not implant. People/doctors say that she can't get pregnant.

159 posted on 12/18/2003 4:31:35 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I've watched serial ultrasounds of a woman who was undergoing fertility treatments, and talked to many more women who were the recipients of embryos through IVF or who had low progesteron levels, and were unable to sustain a pregnancy past implantation. These women believed they were pregnant, if there was no implantation, they said the pregnancy didn't "take" or that they lost the baby.

Simply because something is not measured does not mean it did not happen. If it is difficult or impossible to measure (as first term pregnancies often were before we had blood tests or urine tests or ultrasound), does not mean that it is not real of that it does not have other consequences or effects.

The fact is that the life of the members of all sexually reproducing species begin at fertilization. Crack the egg of a bird on the Endangered Species list and you'll find that it doesn't matter that the bird embryo or fetus can't survive outside the egg. You've still broken the Endangered Species Act. The law seems able to make this distinction for birds, but unable to do so for our own children.

The IUD works usually to make an irritated, inflamed uterus wall, with increased white blood cells and altered mucus that are said to be "hostile" to sperm.

But, if there is fertilization, and the uterus is hostile to the embryo, there is an abortion.

It is wrong to create a child in an environment that is intentionally made to be poisonous to the child or to try to make the uterus poisonous in case a child is created, just as it's wrong to hire an abortionist after there is a positive pregnancy test, thus putting the child in harm's way.
169 posted on 12/18/2003 10:23:59 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: luckystarmom
"People do not say that a woman who has endemetriosis is having a miscarriage every time she has a fertilized egg that does not implant. People/doctors say that she can't get pregnant."

But there is a vast difference between a medical condition that will not allow the body to implant a fertilized ova and taking specific action to prevent it.

Now as to whether one views that as wrong or not is another story. But comparing a medical condition to chosen action is illogical.

184 posted on 12/19/2003 8:52:49 AM PST by MEGoody
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